Now The Gibson Guitar Raids Make Sense

[husky]

http://is.gd/WEzj8f

For anyone who is the know of what really happened....
This is probably some of the most inaccurate drivel I have ever read.
Talk about leaving out the details, I hate political propaganda "news" from either side.

[husky]

Where is the delete?

[Deric]

http://is.gd/WEzj8f

For anyone who is the know of what really happened....
This is probably some of the most inaccurate drivel I have ever read.
Talk about leaving out the details, I hate political propaganda "news" from either side.

I agree!!!

[Structo]

In light of recent news that the IRS targeted certain groups and businesses, is it really too much of a reach to think it was political?

I don't know everything that is going on but with the recent disclosures about what certain agencies are doing that are illegal, I'm not really surprised by stories coming out of Washington these days.

[Leo_Gnardo]

In light of recent news that the IRS targeted certain groups and businesses, is it really too much of a reach to think it was political?

I have an extremely low regard for ALL those dodgy organizations that pretend to be non-profit, while accepting money from hidden donors and spreading their insane propaganda. Now that SCOTUS has approved, big stacks of money could come from anywhere to try and buy US elections. It's absolutely pitiful that SCOTUS allowed this. Communist China, Russian Mafia, Mexican & Central/South American drug cartels, anyone rich enough to throw serious cash around where USA citizens or not - somebody PLEASE tell us why they should be able to make secret politcal donations and that's acceptable.

IRS investigators can be bought off too. As far as I'm concerned what's gotten into the news is just blarney that's supposed to convince good people like you and me that there's some watch dog on duty. There should be a special commission to put a stop to this nonsense. Those who profited should be stripped of their ill gotten fortunes and sent to jail for decades. That next to nothing has been prosecuted tells me it's all for show. There's no law enforcement agency in the country that's willing to take on the task and call a halt to the nonsense. Why should they? Skullduggery is approved by SCOTUS. Investigations, trials, penalties? Fat chance of that ever happening. We have the best politicians money can buy.

There's also those pallets stacked with freshly printed $100,000 "bank packs" of hundred dollar bills that have been given away in Iraq and Afghanistan to anyone suspected of having "political influence" in a vague attempt to bribe them to not shoot at or blow up their occupiers. Billions and billions of bucks, and no accountability. Think that could come back and bite us on the a55? As if neglect of USA infrastructure & health issues wasn't enough of a self inflicted injury? I'm stopping here. Steam is shooting out my ears.

[CHIP]

In light of recent news that the IRS targeted certain groups and businesses, is it really too much of a reach to think it was political?

I don't know everything that is going on but with the recent disclosures about what certain agencies are doing that are illegal, I'm not really surprised by stories coming out of Washington these days.

I agree!

[Firestorm]

In light of recent news that the IRS targeted certain groups and businesses, is it really too much of a reach to think it was political?

I have an extremely low regard for ALL those dodgy organizations that pretend to be non-profit, while accepting money from hidden donors and spreading their insane propaganda. Now that SCOTUS has approved, big stacks of money could come from anywhere to try and buy US elections. It's absolutely pitiful that SCOTUS should have allowed this. Communist China, Russian Mafia, Mexican & Central/South American drug cartels, anyone rich enough to throw serious cash around where USA citizens or not - somebody PLEASE tell us why they should be able to make secret politcal donations and that's acceptable.

There's also those pallets stacked with freshly printed $100,000 "bank packs" of hundred dollar bills that have been given away in Iraq and Afghanistan to anyone suspected of having "political influence" in a vague attempt to bribe them to not shoot at or blow up their occupiers. Billions and billions of bucks, and no accountability. Think that could come back and bite us on the a55? As if neglect of USA infrastructure & health issues wasn't enough of a self inflicted injury? I'm stopping here. Steam is shooting out my ears.

That is not what the Court said. Read the decision.

[Leo_Gnardo]

That is not what the Court said. Read the decision.

With respect, Firestorm, these organizations will interpret the decision as allowing them to get away with anything, and they will. To our detriment.

The weasels are guarding the hen house. 'Twas ever thus. And it's getting worse.

I'll look up what I can on the CU decision and read myself to sleep later. Need a steam proof pillow.

[husky]

In light of recent news that the IRS targeted certain groups and businesses, is it really too much of a reach to think it was political?

If you know the details you know it isn't about politics, it is about laws that have been in place for many years.

I wonder why no other guitar company has had any issue including Fender?

[JazzGuitarGimp]

In light of recent news that the IRS targeted certain groups and businesses, is it really too much of a reach to think it was political?

If you know the details you know it isn't about politics, it is about laws that have been in place for many years.

I wonder why no other guitar company has had any issue including Fender?

I've always had a suspicion that this had nothing to do with Lacy-act wood. I've wondered if there was something else gibson was doing (tax evasion?), and the government couldn't find enough evidence to put an air-tight case together, so they hit gibson where they could, if for no other reason than to send a clear message that reads: we can make your existance a muserable and unprofitable one.

[Structo]

John, can you tell us what laws were violated and why armed police conducted a raid at their facility.

As I understand it, the problem was who worked on the finger board blanks initially.
IOW, the people native to the source country should have dimensioned (worked) the wood before shipping it to Gibson.

But they sent raw blanks, that Gibson then cut down to size for their guitars.

Is that basically correct?

[drew]

In light of recent news that the IRS targeted certain groups and businesses, is it really too much of a reach to think it was political?

Even More Evidence Shows the IRS Didn't Single Out Conservatives

John, can you tell us what laws were violated and why armed police conducted a raid at their facility.

Because they were conducting a criminal investigation, pursuant to a lawful search warrant, and the police are always armed in this country. There's no "leave the guns locked in the trunk of the cruiser if you're going into a guitar factory" page in the police employee manual.

[Bob Simpson]

Sure...

It's all for the children...
The policeman is your friend...

And SCOTUS says Miranda is crap, too...

Bob Simpson

[Deric]

John, can you tell us what laws were violated and why armed police conducted a raid at their facility.

As opposed to un-armed police????