Dave Funk's Tube Amp School

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bnwitt wrote:Mr. Funk in this thread has viciously attacked Gerald Weber whom I happen to have a very positive relationship with. No one has said a word about that have they. Now for some reason I'm the only sob in here is supposedly rude though. I'm a Jackass huh. Up yours buddy.

And to you Mr. Funk, you have called Gerald Weber a thief and a pig and celebrated his current illness. You sir are a slug.
Let me straighten you out.

1. GW promised to pay KF $1,000 for every amp built.
2. GW paid KF less than $4,000.
3. GW built more than the 100 allowed.
4. GW owes KF's estate over $100,000.

That sir, spells thief. Or, if you're a con man like GW is, it's called a, "Dispute to be settled in court." You think I can't smell "Con man?" Think I never dealt with one?

Next, I didn't call GW a pig. KF did.

Third, I don't celebrate anyone's sickness. I just believe in God's Laws, "You reap what you sow." It's not my place to judge. I just allow. People attract sickness to themselves. It's not, "God's fault."

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bnwitt wrote:
HeeBGB wrote:Let's see ..... You got mad at 18watt and left,
Not true. I was booted off of 18 watt for a heated political discussion with a swedish fellow who was bashing America. I didn't leave on my own accord. And let me just point out the fact here that Mr. Funk in this thread has viciously attacked Gerald Weber whom I happen to have a very positive relationship with. No one has said a word about that have they. Now for some reason I'm the only sob in here is supposedly rude though. I'm a Jackass huh. Up yours buddy.

And if you'd like your frickin' speaker back its still sitting on the shelf in my shop unused, I'll send it to ya.

And to you Mr. Funk, you have called Gerald Weber a thief and a pig and celebrated his current illness. You sir are a slug.
Yes Barry, You ARE a jackass. I sent you the speaker no strings attached unlike you who threw the tubes in my face 6 years later. You're an infantile jackass and you need to grow up. No one here cares about your relationship to Gerald Weber. In addition to that it is not YOUR place to tell ANYONE here what is appropriate and what is not. Go start your own forum where you can dictate how it's going to be.
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OK, I believe this has gone WAY beyond anything productive. I'm no expert, and you can all tell me that I don't know shit, but this place is about sharing real knowledge.

I came here empty handed and learned SOOOO much.... and tried to return the coolness by making things a little more understandable for all by dint of the document standardization.

It bothers me greatly when this total BS goes down... I've left enough forums to categorically say that emotion does little other than to inflame and disenfranchise all involved.

It ain't all Peace, Love, Dope... but MOTHER F#*$ER (That was not aimed at anyone in particular, just an exclamation point) can we please just gain a modicum of civility here and not flush this place that I dig down the drain?

Sorry for the rant, it's just a bit sad to watch... :cry:
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oh hell...let em have it out
moderators can just delete the whole thread if it comes to lawsuit threats

it's like watching Taiwan and China duke it out....you hope they do each other in for good

or Georgia and Russia.....let's see some blood, for christ'ssake....make it worth the battle
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It ain't all Peace, Love, Dope... but MOTHER FUCKER can we please just gain a modicum of civility here and not flush this place that I dig down the drain?
Can I get an Amen? 8)
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Deric wrote:
It ain't all Peace, Love, Dope... but MOTHER FUCKER can we please just gain a modicum of civility here and not flush this place that I dig down the drain?
Can I get an Amen? 8)
Nice job everyone derailimg my thread. Now I know why.


Amen
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Everybody got it out of their systems yet? Please let the thread die so I don't have to lock it..... :?
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BTW, Gerald Weber offers Amp Camps too. :wink:
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:twisted: lock it and toss the key :twisted:
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Cool site. Has everyone put down their rulers and zipped up their pants?
But once again, the behind the scenes friendships changes the rules in here. I seem to remember the Komet guys getting toasted big time in here but they weren’t part of the in crowd now were they? So bottom line is if the in crowd agrees with you it’s “Yeah what he said.” But if they don’t, its hey asshole grow up.
Right on! Gotta love the social aspect.

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Interesting and a strange thread.

The power cord issue, well everyone has been burn't or tried a product that didn't live up the claims of the manufacturer. Also there is the question of importance you place on a gain. For some people $180 is too much money for such a small gain. It is my personal belief the single thing that any one of us can do to improve our tone is to practise more. Costs nothing too. I don't recall ever reading an article where Robert Johnson used a titianium bridge on his guitar.

The question I ask myself is the power cord and better than an inlet filter?

http://www.schaffner.com/components/en/ ... uage_id=12

I haven't read the white paper and I won't read the white paper on this product as I don't have the test equipment to prove or disprove it. I would simply be reading the paper with a view to agree with it or disagree with it, so whats the point?

Basically Dave thinks it a good thing and Dana disagrees, really who is to say who is correct, it's all a matter of perception. I have been down this path where the differences between two different components was so fine that I couldn't tell whether I played the test line every so slightly different or there was a difference between components.

Myself I'd buy the line filter and not worry about the cord, but there isn't a lot of science behind that decision. As far as RF in a Trainwreck goes, on omission in the Express/Liverpool power supply is snubber caps across the rectifier diodes, this is a source of RF in the power supply. Many people do tend to stick with the original 1N4007 diodes as the RF frequencies will never make it through the output transformer and are way above the speakers response range. Still there isn't much cost involved in a handful of caps or UF4007 diodes.

Okay while I'm being opinionated, I think Dave is dead on the money about KF and wire. The reason I believed KF used solid core wire is that it stays where you bend it, and you don't have to hot glue the wires in place. A thing to remember about the Trainwreck amps, these things are not rocket science, KF wasn't working for NASA on the side.

What did Ken really do?
He built a clone of an AC-30 his way, and he built many variations on one amp topology, thats not to say these weren't great amps. What I'm saying is this we are all human and some of the conclusions Ken came to weren't always correct, lets face it I don't ever recall Ken mentioning the use of high end test equipment in developing his designs, and if you really wanted to know the harmonic content of your amp, you can't do that with out a spectrum analyzer (this tells you the harmonic being produced and the amplitude of these harmonics.)

Okay this is my two cents on the matter. Of course I could be wrong. :shock: :shock:
Yours Sincerely

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Mark wrote:Myself I'd buy the line filter and not worry about the cord, but there isn't a lot of science behind that decision. As far as RF in a Trainwreck goes, on omission in the Express/Liverpool power supply is snubber caps across the rectifier diodes, this is a source of RF in the power supply. Many people do tend to stick with the original 1N4007 diodes as the RF frequencies will never make it through the output transformer and are way above the speakers response range. Still there isn't much cost involved in a handful of caps or UF4007 diodes.
These AC inlet filters are standard in my amps ever since and additional I'm using two HV polypropylene, a .1 before and a .047 after the standby switch - besides UF5408's for the HV and UF5401's for the regulated DC heater supply. On the end of the regulated DC heater supply (V1) I've put a .1/50V ceramic cap, so that any possible RF, which maybe still has passed through the PT and diodes and for what the electrolytics were 'too slow' will be underpressed away.

[img:800:533]http://www.larry-amplification.de/dino9 ... 001-01.jpg[/img]

[img:1024:540]http://www.larry-amplification.de/briti ... 4793.1.jpg[/img]

Nevertheless once I've tried one of those 300 EUR HiFi-Voodoo power cords and must admit, that there still was a slightly, very subtle difference in a positive way. Since RF barely is possible in my voltage supply I think, that these last few feet after the house wiring are doing something like smoothing the sometimes very fizzy sinus of the AC ?

Still more I came to this conclusion, because this 'smoothing effect' isn't always noticeable - sometimes more, sometimes less and sometimes not at all - concordantly with the fact, that the clean-ness of the wall's AC not always is even - i.e. on Sundays you have a much more clean AC from the wall, because all the machines in the factories are off.

Who knows? It's just a guess!

Anyhow, though I'm very finicky in respect to perfect sounds, the too subtle benefit in sound wasn't worth it for me, to spend these big bucks on this power cord.

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novosibir wrote:
Mark wrote:Myself I'd buy the line filter and not worry about the cord, but there isn't a lot of science behind that decision. As far as RF in a Trainwreck goes, on omission in the Express/Liverpool power supply is snubber caps across the rectifier diodes, this is a source of RF in the power supply. Many people do tend to stick with the original 1N4007 diodes as the RF frequencies will never make it through the output transformer and are way above the speakers response range. Still there isn't much cost involved in a handful of caps or UF4007 diodes.
These AC inlet filters are standard in my amps ever since and additional I'm using two HV polypropylene, a .1 before and a .047 after the standby switch - besides UF5408's for the HV and UF5401's for the regulated DC heater supply. On the end of the regulated DC heater supply (V1) I've put a .1/50V ceramic cap, so that any possible RF, which maybe still has passed through the PT and diodes and for what the electrolytics were 'too slow' will be underpressed away.

[img:800:533]http://www.larry-amplification.de/dino9 ... 001-01.jpg[/img]

[img:1024:540]http://www.larry-amplification.de/briti ... 4793.1.jpg[/img]

Nevertheless once I've tried one of those 300 EUR HiFi-Voodoo power cords and must admit, that there still was a slightly, very subtle difference in a positive way. Since RF barely is possible in my voltage supply I think, that these last few feet after the house wiring are doing something like smoothing the sometimes very fizzy sinus of the AC ?

Still more I came to this conclusion, because this 'smoothing effect' isn't always noticeable - sometimes more, sometimes less and sometimes not at all - concordantly with the fact, that the clean-ness of the wall's AC not always is even - i.e. on Sundays you have a much more clean AC from the wall, because all the machines in the factories are off.

Who knows? It's just a guess!

Anyhow, though I'm very finicky in respect to perfect sounds, the too subtle benefit in sound wasn't worth it for me, to spend these big bucks on this power cord.

Larry
Larry, you're a mad scientist. I do mean that as the highest of compliments. You build some seriously well thought out and neatly constructed amps. :shock:
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Structo wrote:Man it's getting cold in here!


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I think Mark's comment on Ken using solid wire make a lot of sense...

Novosibir on the AC cable is also a good call.

When visiting one of the Big Audiophile Dude with the Audiophile Society, i said to the MAN that i had tried a few one meter AC cables in my hi-fi rig and did not notice any improvement in sound...

His answer was that my rig did not "resolve enough to hear the difference"...

I went home thinking that my system was resolving and imaging like there was no tomorrow.

I was also glad to have educated myself all these years, happy that experimenting and building/tweaking my gear had paid off for me...

I also could not believe how his big Wilson Audio Loudspeakers was overloading his big bucks room...

:lol:
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