To those who voted.

[jaysg]

I think there's some irony in his strong support by African-Americans. His personal history does not include institutional slavery condoned by the U.S. Constitution. That's the issue that hasn't died for American blacks. He certainly is African-American, but the shared history is not there.

And, for those of you who haven't really pondered the question of, "what is an Arab's race?", you need to come to grips with the fact that they are mostly Caucasian, despite the nice tans. Their ancestors headed back toward Africa, after having gone north and mutated to lighter skin. Remember Abraham had two sons, not one, and the current definition of Semitic is that it is a language group, not a race.

The most ironic and uneducated thing a Jew can do, is to call an Arab anti-Semitic.

[dr. who]

hmm... Nobody is reporting on the nspd 50 & 51 that bush recently signed making it possible for him to take over gov't in the case of national emergency and to keep power indefinitely. Currently the US gov't is testing bacillus anthrax vaccines on soldiers for $90 a shot, and training the army for riot supression and crowd control, but get this they are training in mop gear(biohazard suits). Why would you ever try this? 1966 U.S. Army dispenses Bacillus subtilis variant niger throughout the New York City subway system. More than a million civilians are exposed when army scientists drop lightbulbs filled with the bacteria onto ventilation grates. Bush just opened the doors to eastern europe for people to travel here freely without visas. Hmm. those states are filled with terrorists. I called it 7 yrs ago when the Anthrax scare happened that the dna from the strain used would be the exact same as the one that the gov't engineered for biochemical warfare...I was right. What it comes down to is this- the republicans are supposed to be conservative but they have gone fully evangelical, and yet whilst promoting the agenda of "lets stay at war and kill 'em in the name of Jesus" they have forgotten Jesus' messages of forgiveness and turning the other cheek. I personally voted for the least hypocritical candidate, and he won. Let's just see if he can actually become inaugurated, or if the New World Government that Rockefeller had visualized, when he helped to create the federal reserve, will take over.

[CaseyJones]

Also, Bush said he had a mandate to extend the war on terror after his reelection in '04...Since Obama just captured a majority of the vote, doesn't HE have a mandate for socialism (or at least more socialist programs)?

Brings back memories, it does. A guy who didn't really get elected the first time around counts a slim margin as a "mandate" the second time around. What's a non-partisan way to put this? I guess Obama showed Boy George what a "mandate" really looks like!

Socialism. It's another term demonized by the right. They even managed to fool rank and file labor, I hear blue collar workers complain bitterly about supporting people on welfare. Let's look at this for a moment... the unemployment rate in Rhode Island is currently 9.1%. That's not an empty meaningless number, that means that (rounding up) nearly 10% of the people in Rhode Island who want jobs are having a hard time finding them. Think about this... what if we abolished welfare (hey, it's socialism!) in Rhode Island and dumped all those people into the labor market? It's supply and demand. What would the unemployment rate then be in Rhode Island?

If capitalism works correctly we should be able to afford a little socialism. "From we who have so much... to you who have so little." Not the other way around.

I wonder what he'll be able to do given the new-found powers granted to presidents by the Patriot Act...

A decent human being... when presented with responsibility... does the right thing.

[dr. who]

A decent human being... when presented with responsibility... does the right thing. If in 1969 you are a US Congressman from Tx named George Herbert Walker Bush you petition other congressmen to get the votes needed to get Dr. MacMahan the $10,000,000 he has requested. Then for the rest of your political career you make sure to seeing that the deadliest stuff on earth continues to get made, and is used on US citizens. Here's a timeline-

1969 Dr. Robert MacMahan of the Department of Defense requests from congress $10 million to develop, within 5 to 10 years, a synthetic biological agent to which no natural immunity exists.

1975 The virus section of Fort Detrick's Center for Biological Warfare Research is renamed the Fredrick Cancer Research Facilities and placed under the supervision of the National Cancer Institute (NCI) . It is here that a special virus cancer program is initiated by the U.S. Navy, purportedly to develop cancer-causing viruses. It is also here that retrovirologists isolate a virus to which no immunity exists. It is later named HTLV (Human T-cell Leukemia Virus).

1977 Senate hearings on Health and Scientific Research confirm that 239 populated areas had been contaminated with biological agents between 1949 and 1969. Some of the areas included San Francisco, Washington, D.C., Key West, Panama City, Minneapolis, and St. Louis.

1978 Experimental Hepatitis B vaccine trials, conducted by the CDC, begin in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco. Ads for research subjects specifically ask for promiscuous homosexual men.

1981 First cases of AIDS are confirmed in homosexual men in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco, triggering speculation that AIDS may have been introduced via the Hepatitis B vaccine

1985 According to the journal Science (227:173-177), HTLV and VISNA, a fatal sheep virus, are very similar, indicating a close taxonomic and evolutionary relationship.

1986 According to the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (83:4007-4011), HIV and VISNA are highly similar and share all structural elements, except for a small segment which is nearly identical to HTLV. This leads to speculation that HTLV and VISNA may have been linked to produce a new retrovirus to which no natural immunity exists.

1986 A report to Congress reveals that the U.S. Government's current generation of biological agents includes: modified viruses, naturally occurring toxins, and agents that are altered through genetic engineering to change immunological character and prevent treatment by all existing vaccines.

1987 Department of Defense admits that, despite a treaty banning research and development of biological agents, it continues to operate research facilities at 127 facilities and universities around the nation.

1990 More than 1500 six-month old black and hispanic babies in Los Angeles are given an "experimental" measles vaccine that had never been licensed for use in the United States. CDC later admits that parents were never informed that the vaccine being injected to their children was experimental.

1994 With a technique called "gene tracking," Dr. Garth Nicolson at the MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, TX discovers that many returning Desert Storm veterans are infected with an altered strain of Mycoplasma incognitus, a microbe commonly used in the production of biological weapons. Incorporated into its molecular structure is 40 percent of the HIV protein coat, indicating that it had been man-made.

1994 Senator John D. Rockefeller issues a report revealing that for at least 50 years the Department of Defense has used hundreds of thousands of military personnel in human experiments and for intentional exposure to dangerous substances. Materials included mustard and nerve gas, ionizing radiation, psychochemicals, hallucinogens, and drugs used during the Gulf War .

1995 U.S. Government admits that it had offered Japanese war criminals and scientists who had performed human medical experiments salaries and immunity from prosecution in exchange for data on biological warfare research.

1995 Dr. Garth Nicolson, uncovers evidence that the biological agents used during the Gulf War had been manufactured in Houston, TX and Boca Raton, Fl and tested on prisoners in the Texas Department of Corrections.

1996 Department of Defense admits that Desert Storm soldiers were exposed to chemical agents.

1997 Eighty-eight members of Congress sign a letter demanding an investigation into bioweapons use & Gulf War Syndrome.

-My choice for president didn't vote with that regime 90% of the time, did yours?

[dBe]

I know it is time to bail from a thread when I hear the black helicopters coming...



Dave, conservative, evangelical, but not a Republican

[CaseyJones]

A decent human being... when presented with responsibility... does the right thing. If in 1969 you are a US Congressman from Tx named George Herbert Walker Bush...

I said, "A decent human being".

Run out and find a copy of Steven King, "The Stand". You want the big thick one with the extra chapters that didn't make it into the movie. Skip the movie, King directed it. He's not a director.

While you're at it rent "Mad Max", "The Road Warrior", "Thunderdome", "Waterworld", "The Postman", "1984", "Brazil" ooh, let's not forget "A Clockwork Orange" and maybe an old chestnut like "Soylent Green". I kinda liked "Aeon Flux" although it's kinda arty-farty and doesn't quite have the dark post apocolyptic vibe the others do. What you want to do is stay up real late and get real drunk and maybe take the edge of with, umm, this and that to perfect your altered state. Then start shovin' yer DVDs into the player one after the other. If you get it right you'll emerge from yer lair into the bright sunshine of the late afternoon a day or so later all sweaty, paranoid and crashin'.

'Cuz my view of reality is like this: I've had evenings where I got ragin' whiskey drunk, last thing I remember wuz when the room started spinnin'. If I shut my eyes real tight then opened 'em I could make it stop and for a brief moment it all made sense. Then reality would take off again in its uncontrollable seasick motion. Here's the thing, though: for that one moment where it "made sense" it didn't really make sense, not in the context of sobriety and good judgement. It made sense in the context of of inebriation at the threshold of unconsciousness.

Actual reality is like that, it's just a lot bigger. There's only so much I can see and even less that I can control from my little piss-ant perspective. I don't have that kind of time, I don't have that kind of energy. Best I can do is hope for the best and prepare for the worst. It's well within my capabilities to screw that up!

[Jana]

Best I can do is hope for the best and prepare for the worst. It's well within my capabilities to screw that up!

The wisest words I have heard in a long time! If I ever write my memoirs, not that anyone would want to read them, can I use that as the tag line?

[CaseyJones]

Best I can do is hope for the best and prepare for the worst. It's well within my capabilities to screw that up!

The wisest words I have heard in a long time! If I ever write my memoirs, not that anyone would want to read them, can I use that as the tag line?

Thank you, thank you very much! Of course it's wise, that's 'cuz I ripped it off rather than comin' up wif it on my own! If I could only remember where I plagerized it I'd add a footnote so we could all see it in its original context.

[Tubetwang]

another fine flick to ad to Casey's short list....

Check it out...it's free!:lol:

www.cbc.ca/documentaries/doczone/2008/bushyears/

President Bush is charming and funny.
Bad driver but...

[jimipage]

hope for the best,
prepare for the worst,
expect nothing.
to thine ownself be true;
do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Don't Panic

[Structo]

"From we who have so much... to you who have so little."

Hmmm, isn't that straight out of Karl Marx's "The Communist Manifesto"?

Critics argue that the Soviet Union's numerous internal failings and subsequent collapse were a direct result of the practical failings of Marxism.

All we have to do is look at the failed national health programs of Canada, UK and France to see how well socialism works.

Don't base any opinions about these from watching the movie "Sicko" by Michael Moore. He is a biased liberal that takes everything out of context.

Talk to people that have experienced it first hand. From the people that have to wait up to three years for a joint replacement or for cancer treatment. My wife is in the medical field and I hear first hand what these people think of those programs because she is treating quite a few here.

There is a reason they come to the USA for medical treatment.
Is it expensive here? Hell yeah, but moving health insurance to a socialist type program will only be a detriment to good care.
How many doctors are going to want to be paid on a scale similar to a plumber and endure 8 to 12 years of schooling for meager pay?

[Structo]

I just hope Obama is up to the task.

He is our president now for better or worse.

What kind of bothers me is that we elected a guy that nobody really heard of until 2004 when he made a speech that turned heads.
I think he is a smart man and very likable, but time will tell if he has what it takes to lead us down the right path.

He only became a US Senator in 2005 so in less than two years he was running for president. (Remember this was a long campaign)

One can only hope he will surround himself with experienced advisers, other than the gun grabbing Rahm Emanuel.

[CaseyJones]

hope for the best,
prepare for the worst,
expect nothing.
to thine ownself be true;
do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Don't Panic

See! I bring out the best in y'all!

So where's it from?

"From we who have so much... to you who have so little."

Hmmm, isn't that straight out of Karl Marx's "The Communist Manifesto"?

Critics argue that the Soviet Union's numerous internal failings and subsequent collapse were a direct result of the practical failings of Marxism.?

"The practical failing of Communism" is that humans can't be relied upon to implement it. Some power hungry dickhead always slips totalitarianism in its place.

I wouldn't even make a half-assed Commie. I like my toys too much. I worked too hard for my toys. My empire starts at the edge of my lawn.

Of course you're welcome to join my commune. I expect you to donate all your stuff to me. As Patriarch of my commune I expect all the wimmens to cleave unto me.

Dammit. There I go. See? Can't be done.

All we have to do is look at the failed national health programs of Canada, UK and France to see how well socialism works.

Just stop at Canada. From where I'm standin' it looks like Canada's health care system works pretty damn well.

How much health care could we buy with the $700 billion the bank bailout is gonna cost?

From a practical standpoint it's life and death. Those with access to health care (the ability to pay for it) are gonna live longer and their quality of life is going to be better.

Don't base any opinions about these from watching the movie "Sicko" by Michael Moore. He is a biased liberal that takes everything out of context.

As opposed to biased conservatives who take everything else out of context.

Talk to people that have experienced it first hand.

But... I have.

From the people that have to wait up to three years for a joint replacement or for cancer treatment. My wife is in the medical field and I hear first hand what these people think of those programs because she is treating quite a few here.

There is a reason they come to the USA for medical treatment.
Is it expensive here? Hell yeah, but moving health insurance to a socialist type program will only be a detriment to good care.
How many doctors are going to want to be paid on a scale similar to a plumber and endure 8 to 12 years of schooling for meager pay?

I don't know where you're comin' from with that one. The docs I know want to see some kind of national health insurance. Because, for lack of it, frequently they don't get paid at all.

Start at this end and read backwards, that way we end up on a positive note.

[Deric]

Talk to people that have experienced it first hand... My wife is in the medical field and I hear first hand what these people think of those programs because she is treating quite a few here.

With all due respect, that would be second hand.

[Structo]

Talk to people that have experienced it first hand... My wife is in the medical field and I hear first hand what these people think of those programs because she is treating quite a few here.

With all due respect, that would be second hand.

Oh you got me there. I was referring to the fact that I am not hearing rumors but comments made to someone in the business.