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Go ahead and say what you want CJ. It's your opinion only.

I have personally been driving my modified vehicle here in CA for almost 6 years. It's passed emissions testing and has been covered by warranty. I've done this and will continue to do it.

What you say about complete meltdown is utter BS. I had the O2 and Mass Air Flow sensor go right before I had to get emissions testing to renew my plates. It failed the test in procedure only. All actual physical tests passed with flying colors, but since the "check engine" light was on, it failed. I spent the money to have the sensors replaced at an authorized service center (dealer), and then had the car retested. Funny thing is that with the new sensors in place, and after driving for about 1000 miles before the retest, the emissions were worse than with the so-called bad sensors. MPG dropped by about 2MPG as well. My catalytic converter didn't melt and what you proclaim with mileage and emissions figures doesn't jibe either.

Again, this was a post from Roberto and I was referring to Roberto's use of NOx regardless of your misuse of the term and chemical composition of Nitrous Oxide.

I am also not talking about some POS eBay device either. Some of that stuff is a scam and I am not contesting that at all.

Do a google search on Stan Meyers. I think this will be a little enlightening to you, but then again, maybe not :roll: This guy developed a working prototype of a hydrolysis device that allowed him to get 100MPG from his sand rail. Ran off water alone...any water, clean, dirty, piss, spit, whatever. What became of Stan? Well, he was mysteriously murdered after discussions with the DOJ about using his technology. Interesting stuff really even if you don't believe this shit works.

Funny that you mention a flat world. It was people like yourself that scoffed at proclamations of the earth being round. Who was right?

I do agree that not every back yard handyman can make this work, but there is a significant amount of very worth while inventions that were...developed in someone's garage, backyard, basement, etc.

My last comment for you is this:

You said "I know how to make this thing work for an automotive application."

Let's see it Bro!

Otherwise, let's back down the bravado a touch and get back to discussing amps.
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dartanion wrote:I have personally been driving my modified vehicle here in CA for almost 6 years. It's passed emissions testing and has been covered by warranty. I've done this and will continue to do it.

What you say about complete meltdown is utter BS. I had the O2 and Mass Air Flow sensor go right before I had to get emissions testing to renew my plates. It failed the test in procedure only. All actual physical tests passed with flying colors, but since the "check engine" light was on, it failed. I spent the money to have the sensors replaced at an authorized service center (dealer), and then had the car retested. Funny thing is that with the new sensors in place, and after driving for about 1000 miles before the retest, the emissions were worse than with the so-called bad sensors. MPG dropped by about 2MPG as well. My catalytic converter didn't melt and what you proclaim with mileage and emissions figures doesn't jibe either.
O.k., so you're telling me you have a Brown's Gas generator on yer Prius? We'll place that on the short list of vehicles that will tolerate the system... if you're not pullin' my leg.

Question: Did the dealer replace the mass air and oxygen sensors under warrantee?
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CaseyJones wrote:Your experience is in a stationary engine application.
:roll: Again? Have you seen the blue HHO reactor and bubbler in the Peugeot?
Cuz I'm here to tell ya, there's a lot more to makin' it work properly on the street.
The system you have seen in that Peugeot controls pH, temperature, amps, and so on. If you say that it cannot be retroengineered by everyone, and that is not like a standar fuel injection, I agree. If you say that with better control on electrolysis MPG can increase more I agree too. But you can't say these are BS. They works. Could work even better, but they works.
dartanion wrote:Casey, you said "I know how to make this thing work for an automotive application."
Let's see it Bro!
Quote. Please explain us how to. This will be helpful for many people.
CaseyJones wrote:We'll place that on the short list of vehicles that will tolerate the system...
Can you please post the list? Thanks.


For people interested into, in attachment there are two pdf about Stan Meyer's way to do electrolysis.
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roberto wrote:
dartanion wrote:Casey, you said "I know how to make this thing work for an automotive application."
Let's see it Bro!
Quote. Please explain us how to. This will be helpful for many people.
Tony, I'll pass along a couple tips. First, "Go with what you know". If you expertise lies in diesels then convert a diesel. If you're converting a diesel you don't have to worry about ignition timing.

Use the oxygen sensor to tune your mixture in the experimental stages but don't give it authority once you've set your fuel delivery curve.
roberto wrote:For people interested into, in attachment there are two pdf about Stan Meyer's way to do electrolysis.
:lol: If the Ohio District Court or whatever judged his invention to be a hoax that's a pretty good indication that it was a hoax.

Although... I'm a deeply paranoid individual and a card carrying wacko. :twisted: I like a good conspiracy theory. But... the guy died of an aneurism. Then there's a bit of a mystery, if the dude replaced the sparkplugs on his dune buggy with "atomizers" what did he use for ignition? Don't tell me it was some sort of cosmic diesel.

How 'bout "lazer ionizers" the size of a sparkplug? "Beam me up, Scotty!" :lol:

Dart, allegedly "invented a vehicle capable of 100 mpg on water".
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I'm talking about using gasoline and HHO, not only water. Little % of HHO improve the MPG. There are many University that have studied this since '70. Simply it was not useful. I know we should remap the fuel injection curve to obtain the best, but it works even without this remapping. And if you know something useful (not the two useless tips you gave) share it.
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Please stop with the HHO terminology.
I'm not wanting to enter into this debate (won't debate religion) but euphemisms regarding common chemical compounds, in this case water - no matter how it is produced, just make me think that the user is obfusticating something.
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Ears, please stop thinking and START understanding.
HHO is a name, just like backing soda. Are we obfuscating NaHCO3?? Don't think so. This is not religion, check out the latest link I've posted about HRG, please.
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Well, if it's water, why not call it water? or at very least H2O
You are correct, I struggle to understand why not. :wink:

Edit: trying to read it, but it's a big read. :shock: at first glance looks like plain electrolysis, I guess there must be trick used in order to get more out than is put in, I suppose all will be revealed...
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Richard,
do you know the difference between steam and gas? Do you think that electrolized water is still H2O? Really? I think it is 2H2 and O2, so HHO is more clear than H2O, if you use electrolysis instead of steam.
If you wanna know, there are good results also with oil mixed with water, 20-30% water, heated a bit, and used as standard fuel for diesel engines. But this is another story.

Then, I said links, not attachments. do you know the difference?
links:
http://www.sae.org/technical/papers/2006-01-3431
http://www.sae.org/technical/papers/2000-01-2206
http://www.sae.org/technical/papers/2005-01-0232
http://www.sae.org/technical/papers/981920
http://www.sae.org/technical/papers/2004-01-1270
They call it HRG, Hydrogen Rich Gas, what are these Universities obfuscating?

For the attachment: it isn't a standard electrolysis. It's high-voltage electrolysis with electric and magnetic fields, in pwm, with both a electronic and sonic resonance at certain frequencies.

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dartanion wrote:You said "I know how to make this thing work for an automotive application."

Let's see it Bro!

Otherwise, let's back down the bravado a touch and get back to discussing amps.
Good point! My counterpoint:

Like anyone with anything relevant to offer I'm bound by confidentiality and non-competitive agreements. I'm certain my clients wouldn't be pleased to hear I'm offering even minimal assistance to anyone else.

I can in fact walk over to vehicles in any parking lot in the United States and many parking lots in Europe and point to technology I had a hand in. If I had my way I'd like to be able to pop the hood and claim all of it from the raw castings on out.

As far as "Lets' see it"... how shall I put this politely? Look around for a moment. Where are we? We're on a forum founded on reverse engineering. Maybe I'm a whore for sellin' what some hippy thinks I should give away for free but it's mine to do with as I choose. Does posting a white paper here benefit me? Who does it benefit?

It benefits no one. It certainly isn't to my benefit. Great, I'll post a concept so some Asian bootlegger can rush a low buck knock-off into production. They're a little light on engineering but they sure can get a product to market quickly, warts, flaws and all.

We all work from the same cookbook, my fundamentals are your fundamentals. I can put them in terms that are understandable by the average seventh grader, that comes in handy when I have to deal with the marketing people! :lol: Being as we're all working with the same elements we should be able to achieve the same results.

Bearing that in mind take another look at Stan Meyer. If it's science it's repeatable. If it's not repeatable it's not science. If it's assembled using alien spacecraft parts scrounged from the desert outside o' Roswell... well, draw yer own conclusions! :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLv26Ulh318

Last thought for the Italian contingent. There's a reasonable probability Meyer's vehicle was a hoax. Disregarding that, he used a dune buggy for a platform. Why?
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CaseyJones wrote:Like anyone with anything relevant to offer I'm bound by confidentiality and non-competitive agreements. I'm certain my clients wouldn't be pleased to hear I'm offering even minimal assistance to anyone else.
You have some agreements on what you call BS, or they aren't?

I don't care about Meyer. I don't care about running on water only. I was talking about Geet Pantone and HRG.

PS
I also don't care about your stupid provocations like "Tony" and "contingent", that only make you seems ridicolous.
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roberto wrote:I also don't care about your stupid provocations like "Tony" and "contingent", that only make you seems ridicolous.
Hey Tony, let me put it this way... if you don't want to be Stan Meyer then you'd best be prepared to present your idea to a skeptical public. If you can't handle the attention then go off and build your thing in private.

If you know what you're doing already why even ask?

I asked a simple question. Why start with a dune buggy?
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I applaud any research to improve the status quo and i do not want to hijack this thread...but i believe the future is electric...

I have been farthing around town, on a daily basis with my elctric bike for the past two years, winter included...

Electric cars like the Zen have been purchased by the City.

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Casey, you should have noticed trolls have no influence on me. Oh, and you can't tell people to go off.

You said you can do this and you have agreements on it, so maybe you know something more. This is the reason why I ask you what's "that" more.

Again, I'm not interested in Meyer and in his dune buggy.
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roberto wrote:Casey, you should have noticed trolls have no influence on me. Oh, and you can't tell people to go off.
I simply re-phrased your options as they appear to me.
roberto wrote:Again, I'm not interested in Meyer and in his dune buggy.
It seems you're interested in acquiring some expertise without much commitment from your end. You're learning already, yesterday you said that all you needed to do was to fiddle with the input from your oxygen sensor. Today you agree that an optimum package requires an optimum fuel delivery curve.
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