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If you've been building and repairing blah blah blah then you should respect people who build what is arguably one of the best amps on Earth with an eye towards duplicating quality of the original. That's character and taste. I have no problem with people who build something that's bulletproof and classy. I have a big problem with people who cut a corner here and take a shortcut there then justify the end result as, "It sells". That's the prevailing logic. "It's a POS but with a little work it's a good value."makrisp wrote:Mr. Casey Jones,
Wrong again with your judgments!
A) I have been building, repairing, modding since the late 80's. Do not do it as much as I would like, only about one dozen folks is what I can handle. Family first!
B) I do not like to rip people off. It's a matter of character and taste, and many folks in the Boston area can attest to that.
C) Again, I chimed into this thread because folks like Brandon and others were bashing Nik. Folks should stop the bashing......That is all!
Triple Post..Sorryayan wrote:OK, here is an offer for you. You have seen -- and if not, do a quick search -- what I build. Take a look at my latest Dumbleator clone in a rercent thread, do an inventory of the parts and procure them. Build the mofo as I did and if you end up spending $100 in parts and two hours to replicate it, I will give you for free and with no B.S. one of my amps -- yes, the ones I've posted pictures of here through the years. Needless to say, your Dumbleator clone must look and sound the part for this offer to he honored by me.makrisp wrote:Let's see....if we add up the the parts list and if you buy in bulk..probably no more that $100 in parts and that is soooooooo padded. Couple hours of labor..another 2 X$75 = $150........... $750????? Before you speak, this is not Two Rock or Fuch's that have real shops and "OVERHEAD"
See what I mean...that is what I call a bit too much. You got to be fair to people, especially if your not kicking back a fee to Mr. Dumble.
Just my humble opinion, and we should stop bashing folks as its not good.
Right off the bat, in order for you to not blow the time and money allocated as per your own estimate, you will need some luck with the tube(s) you purchase... I spend about as much as you will building the Dumbleator clone just picking the right tube for it, and I may go through a couple before I find one I like, which means you might spend about $30 just picking the right 12AX7.
Should you fail in your attempt, I expect nothing back from you, either on my behalf or anyone else's. If you choose to decline the offer, let me know and I will post an addendum to this.
Respectfully,
Gil
Gil,ayan wrote:OK, here is an offer for you. You have seen -- and if not, do a quick search -- what I build. Take a look at my latest Dumbleator clone in a rercent thread, do an inventory of the parts and procure them. Build the mofo as I did and if you end up spending $100 in parts and two hours to replicate it, I will give you for free and with no B.S. one of my amps -- yes, the ones I've posted pictures of here through the years. Needless to say, your Dumbleator clone must look and sound the part for this offer to he honored by me.makrisp wrote:Let's see....if we add up the the parts list and if you buy in bulk..probably no more that $100 in parts and that is soooooooo padded. Couple hours of labor..another 2 X$75 = $150........... $750????? Before you speak, this is not Two Rock or Fuch's that have real shops and "OVERHEAD"
See what I mean...that is what I call a bit too much. You got to be fair to people, especially if your not kicking back a fee to Mr. Dumble.
Just my humble opinion, and we should stop bashing folks as its not good.
Right off the bat, in order for you to not blow the time and money allocated as per your own estimate, you will need some luck with the tube(s) you purchase... I spend about as much as you will building the Dumbleator clone just picking the right tube for it, and I may go through a couple before I find one I like, which means you might spend about $30 just picking the right 12AX7.
Should you fail in your attempt, I expect nothing back from you, either on my behalf or anyone else's. If you choose to decline the offer, let me know and I will post an addendum to this.
Respectfully,
Gil
Double postayan wrote:OK, here is an offer for you. You have seen -- and if not, do a quick search -- what I build. Take a look at my latest Dumbleator clone in a rercent thread, do an inventory of the parts and procure them. Build the mofo as I did and if you end up spending $100 in parts and two hours to replicate it, I will give you for free and with no B.S. one of my amps -- yes, the ones I've posted pictures of here through the years. Needless to say, your Dumbleator clone must look and sound the part for this offer to he honored by me.makrisp wrote:Let's see....if we add up the the parts list and if you buy in bulk..probably no more that $100 in parts and that is soooooooo padded. Couple hours of labor..another 2 X$75 = $150........... $750????? Before you speak, this is not Two Rock or Fuch's that have real shops and "OVERHEAD"
See what I mean...that is what I call a bit too much. You got to be fair to people, especially if your not kicking back a fee to Mr. Dumble.
Just my humble opinion, and we should stop bashing folks as its not good.
Right off the bat, in order for you to not blow the time and money allocated as per your own estimate, you will need some luck with the tube(s) you purchase... I spend about as much as you will building the Dumbleator clone just picking the right tube for it, and I may go through a couple before I find one I like, which means you might spend about $30 just picking the right 12AX7.
Should you fail in your attempt, I expect nothing back from you, either on my behalf or anyone else's. If you choose to decline the offer, let me know and I will post an addendum to this.
Respectfully,
Gil
Alan,'67_Plexi wrote:If people built the bloody things into the amp where they belonged in the first place, this would all be a moot point
Hell, it's not me getting shit on Ampgarage for a change....this is novel !!
Paul, you are my friend, you know me, I've been to your house, you have been to my shop and we have had a laugh recording those TGP clips.
Trust me, I couldn't build one of those in 2 hours for $100 in parts either. I would say at a push, it would take me 4-5 hours realistically and I have absolutely all the parts, test equp and tools easily on hand and a really good working area to do it.
All the best, Al.
CaseyJones wrote:If you've been building and repairing blah blah blah then you should respect people who build what is arguably one of the best amps on Earth with an eye towards duplicating quality of the original. That's character and taste. I have no problem with people who build something that's bulletproof and classy. I have a big problem with people who cut a corner here and take a shortcut there then justify the end result as, "It sells". That's the prevailing logic. "It's a POS but with a little work it's a good value."makrisp wrote:Mr. Casey Jones,
Wrong again with your judgments!
A) I have been building, repairing, modding since the late 80's. Do not do it as much as I would like, only about one dozen folks is what I can handle. Family first!
B) I do not like to rip people off. It's a matter of character and taste, and many folks in the Boston area can attest to that.
C) Again, I chimed into this thread because folks like Brandon and others were bashing Nik. Folks should stop the bashing......That is all!
There's a simple test of quality. If I were to give you an amp and you could choose between a Bludo and a Ceria which one would you take? Don't bullshit me just to make a point, we were talkin' about integrity a minute ago.
It's pretty simple. The good stuff is the good stuff. Copies of the good stuff is the next tier down. Expectations of quality ratchet down with price.M Fowler wrote:I will probably buy another amp from Nik because he does good work. Just parts sourcing has given me a headache and decided to just quantity by everything and order resister kits and capacitor kits.
There is room for all of us guys. Why the hot head attitude?
I think most of us picked up on that. If you're less than happy with Brandon for whatever reason, it's something you and he may or may not want to try to resolve privately. I myself don't have any issues with people having a problem with someone else, it happens. What is difficult for me is to sit down and read a post in which you state what I know to be inaccuarte based on my own experience over the last decade. No one can build a Dumbleator in 2 hours, period... and unless you use cheap parts, it's just not possible to spend $100 and buy all you need to build one.makrisp wrote: Gil,
Please....this thread was about the Ceriatone HRM...no more, no less...... Look at who started bashing Nik............ All I asked was it to stop and then we get into the excuses of being built in America and the other ham!
Bottom line.......my line was to stop the bashing. The rest is white noise.
Gil,ayan wrote:I think most of us picked up on that. If you're less than happy with Brandon for whatever reason, it's something you and he may or may not want to try to resolve privately. I myself don't have any issues with people having a problem with someone else, it happens. What is difficult for me is to sit down and read a post in which you state what I know to be inaccuarte based on my own experience over the last decade. No one can build a Dumbleator in 2 hours, period... and unless you use cheap parts, it's just not possible to spend $100 and buy all you need to build one.makrisp wrote: Gil,
Please....this thread was about the Ceriatone HRM...no more, no less...... Look at who started bashing Nik............ All I asked was it to stop and then we get into the excuses of being built in America and the other ham!
Bottom line.......my line was to stop the bashing. The rest is white noise.
For the experience of it, I would really encourage you to build a Dumbleator clone and then revisit the whole thing. Needless to say, people here will help you and if you follow Brandon's detailed instructions, the box will turn out just right. I estimate that by the time you finish, you will have spent about $200 and probably on the order of 10 hours minimum to "GitRDone!" Furthermore, unless you have done these a few times before, the box will not look that great and you will probably have some problems with it that you will need to troubleshoot.
The gap between "working on stuff" -- modifying stuff -- and building something starting from scratch is pretty significant, and the only way to find out is to cross the threshold.
Cheers,
Gil
By any chance are you the guy that recently got thrown off the gearpage? If so, that explains it. If not, you have my sincere apology for considering it.makrisp wrote:Gil,ayan wrote:I think most of us picked up on that. If you're less than happy with Brandon for whatever reason, it's something you and he may or may not want to try to resolve privately. I myself don't have any issues with people having a problem with someone else, it happens. What is difficult for me is to sit down and read a post in which you state what I know to be inaccuarte based on my own experience over the last decade. No one can build a Dumbleator in 2 hours, period... and unless you use cheap parts, it's just not possible to spend $100 and buy all you need to build one.makrisp wrote: Gil,
Please....this thread was about the Ceriatone HRM...no more, no less...... Look at who started bashing Nik............ All I asked was it to stop and then we get into the excuses of being built in America and the other ham!
Bottom line.......my line was to stop the bashing. The rest is white noise.
For the experience of it, I would really encourage you to build a Dumbleator clone and then revisit the whole thing. Needless to say, people here will help you and if you follow Brandon's detailed instructions, the box will turn out just right. I estimate that by the time you finish, you will have spent about $200 and probably on the order of 10 hours minimum to "GitRDone!" Furthermore, unless you have done these a few times before, the box will not look that great and you will probably have some problems with it that you will need to troubleshoot.
The gap between "working on stuff" -- modifying stuff -- and building something starting from scratch is pretty significant, and the only way to find out is to cross the threshold.
Cheers,
Gil
Agree with most of your post, but if you got a Dumbleator in front of you....I would agree the first one may take a little time...but after that it should be way fast, especially, let's say your going to build 10 at a time.
Did not really want to get into the discussion of building a dumbleator.....my point as well as others including yourself was the bashing of Nik. It's totally classless and un-called for and should stop.
Well, I guess we now can move forward.
Cheers,
Dude, come on.....tubedogsmith wrote:By any chance are you the guy that recently got thrown off the gearpage? If so, that explains it. If not, you have my sincere apology for considering it.makrisp wrote:Gil,ayan wrote: I think most of us picked up on that. If you're less than happy with Brandon for whatever reason, it's something you and he may or may not want to try to resolve privately. I myself don't have any issues with people having a problem with someone else, it happens. What is difficult for me is to sit down and read a post in which you state what I know to be inaccuarte based on my own experience over the last decade. No one can build a Dumbleator in 2 hours, period... and unless you use cheap parts, it's just not possible to spend $100 and buy all you need to build one.
For the experience of it, I would really encourage you to build a Dumbleator clone and then revisit the whole thing. Needless to say, people here will help you and if you follow Brandon's detailed instructions, the box will turn out just right. I estimate that by the time you finish, you will have spent about $200 and probably on the order of 10 hours minimum to "GitRDone!" Furthermore, unless you have done these a few times before, the box will not look that great and you will probably have some problems with it that you will need to troubleshoot.
The gap between "working on stuff" -- modifying stuff -- and building something starting from scratch is pretty significant, and the only way to find out is to cross the threshold.
Cheers,
Gil
Agree with most of your post, but if you got a Dumbleator in front of you....I would agree the first one may take a little time...but after that it should be way fast, especially, let's say your going to build 10 at a time.
Did not really want to get into the discussion of building a dumbleator.....my point as well as others including yourself was the bashing of Nik. It's totally classless and un-called for and should stop.
Well, I guess we now can move forward.
Cheers,
