Issues with 5E3amp

General discussion area for tube amps.

Moderators: pompeiisneaks, Colossal

User avatar
alkuz1961
Posts: 179
Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:32 am
Contact:

Re: Issues with 5E3amp

Post by alkuz1961 »

sluckey wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2019 8:32 pm Yes. A short is fine. Open is bad.
um... it looks a little weird. I'll keep that in mind for the future. But I always used a dummy load on the switchable connector.
Thanks
pdf64
Posts: 2932
Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:23 pm
Location: Staffordshire, UK
Contact:

Re: Issues with 5E3amp

Post by pdf64 »

Maybe you’re used to pentode amps?
The ‘shorting output jack’ arrangement is more common with (and suited to) beam tetrode amps.
https://www.justgiving.com/page/5-in-5-for-charlie This is my step son and his family. He is running 5 marathons in 5 days to support the research into STXBP1, the genetic condition my grandson Charlie has. Please consider supporting him!
User avatar
martin manning
Posts: 14308
Joined: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:43 am
Location: 39°06' N 84°30' W

Re: Issues with 5E3amp

Post by martin manning »

Perhaps alkuz1961 is thinking of the case where the speaker cable becomes disconnected at the other end?
pdf64
Posts: 2932
Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:23 pm
Location: Staffordshire, UK
Contact:

Re: Issues with 5E3amp

Post by pdf64 »

But a switchable dummy load, ie as per the photo but a resistor rather than a wire link that only connects into circuit when the switching contact in the jack socket is closed, is of no benefit in that scenario?
https://www.justgiving.com/page/5-in-5-for-charlie This is my step son and his family. He is running 5 marathons in 5 days to support the research into STXBP1, the genetic condition my grandson Charlie has. Please consider supporting him!
sluckey
Posts: 3528
Joined: Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:48 pm
Location: Mobile, AL
Contact:

Re: Issues with 5E3amp

Post by sluckey »

I've seen schematics that used a 250Ω high watt resistor connected to the tip of the speaker jack. That resistor is always there even if the speaker cable does become disconnected at the speaker cab. A 250Ω load is better than an open load. I don't remember where I saw that idea. Could have been a commercial amp or some boutique.
User avatar
martin manning
Posts: 14308
Joined: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:43 am
Location: 39°06' N 84°30' W

Re: Issues with 5E3amp

Post by martin manning »

I believe some AX84 amps had that feature.
pdf64
Posts: 2932
Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:23 pm
Location: Staffordshire, UK
Contact:

Re: Issues with 5E3amp

Post by pdf64 »

I’ve seen some Traynors with that, but the earliest example I’m aware of is JMI Vox AC50
https://el34world.com/charts/Schematics ... master.pdf
https://el34world.com/charts/Schematics ... x_ac50.pdf

It’s certainly worth doing something, and the ‘back up load’ may be seen to have benefits over the shorting jack method, which sometimes just isn’t feasible, eg an output jack per secondary tap.
Also, the Fender BF NFB resistors (820+100 or 47ohms) may be low enough in value to kinda act as a back up load.
https://www.justgiving.com/page/5-in-5-for-charlie This is my step son and his family. He is running 5 marathons in 5 days to support the research into STXBP1, the genetic condition my grandson Charlie has. Please consider supporting him!
User avatar
guile
Posts: 84
Joined: Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:30 am
Location: Netherlands

Re: Issues with 5E3amp

Post by guile »

martin manning wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2019 3:07 pm Do you have more preamp tubes to try? Failed heater-cathode insulation can cause hum like that.
I swapped all the tubes, but only swapping V2 for 12AT7 yielded less hum. A 12AU7 even less.
Could this be a lead?

Moving and redressing the heater wires does not alter the hum in any way..
User avatar
pompeiisneaks
Site Admin
Posts: 4244
Joined: Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:36 pm
Location: Washington State, USA
Contact:

Re: Issues with 5E3amp

Post by pompeiisneaks »

Not necessarily, it means the source of the hum is likely either in the first stage or that stage and you're putting in lower gain tubes so the hum is being amplified less.

At least it helps narrow down the location of the hum itself.

I'd check the components and solder connections around V1 and V2 for issues, or lead dress around those tubes.

~Phil
tUber Nerd!
pdf64
Posts: 2932
Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:23 pm
Location: Staffordshire, UK
Contact:

Re: Issues with 5E3amp

Post by pdf64 »

guile wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:22 pm...Same voltage here in the Netherlands (240 max). It's common here that wall outlets are not grounded. They're protected with an earth leakage circuit breaker system. Wall outlets in kitchens, bathrooms etc. are of course grounded...
Thanks for the insight, I (naively) assumed that the whole EU area would have grounded wall outlets :roll:
guile wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:22 pm...I got the kit from a reputable source...
What guidance did the kit supplier provide regarding circuit 0V to chassis connection arrangements?

Are the input jack switching contacts wired up properly, ie so as to mute the inputs when nothings plugged in?
From the video, it kinda sounds as if the inputs are being left wide open.
https://www.justgiving.com/page/5-in-5-for-charlie This is my step son and his family. He is running 5 marathons in 5 days to support the research into STXBP1, the genetic condition my grandson Charlie has. Please consider supporting him!
Post Reply