Mitch Colby and the Sun Dragon.

[Mark]

The elusive Page owned Supro has reared it's head with the Fender Page Telecasters being released. I must admit I find the amp more interesting. Have a look on You Tube, you can hear the amp on the Throbak clip.

The amp distorts at '2' and it puts out 8 watts instead of the normal 20 watts.

[Winder]

Wow. $12.5K each for those first 50 amps! Sounds good, but atsa-lotsa-chedda. Wonder how much the other version will be?

[xtian]

Man, I just built a Supro (1624T/6424T) and I liked it a lot. Only cost ~$200 in parts, sans cabinet. Guess there's profit in this game, huh?

[Mark]

Well you never know what Jimmy is asking. You can be sure it's mutually beneficial. I suspect the real bucks will be in the production amps, I hope they don't hum like some of the Supro's do. All of the fifty amps amount to $625K, the one hundred guitars amount to $2.5M, that should cover Page's legal bill against Robbie Williams.

Again there will be quite a few production guitars, which will be a nice little earner for Page.

The Page package for collectors is expensive, $25K per guitar and $12.5K for the amp. You could buy a Trainwreck for that and you're into Dumble country.

I do wonder what the Page mods are that take the amp from 20 watts to 8 watts and the amp breaks up when set to '2'. Looking at the transformer set I thought they were Classic Tone, the speaker was an American speaker with a pulsonic cone, I'm surprised he didn't hit WGS to make the speaker for him?
I guess in making fifty amps you could make as many prototypes.


The mods could be nearly anything, a Princeton output transformer should lower the watts to 12. Triode connection of the 6L6 would be another thing. Tweed Bassman PI has a bit of gain and it's own sound. Anyway, I guess we will know in the fullness of time.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lf4U_bPWkHE

The clip of the amp is 11:00 in. I'm a Page fan, I could see myself getting tired of that tone. Wait for the Page Hiwatt. Nah, get a HiTone one.

[Scumback Speakers]

They went with a P12Q Jensen speaker, the amp is dual 6L6. My guess is that it's single ended but Mitch wouldn't tell me specifics past that when I talked to him last Monday. I'm sure JP is asking a bunch for his signature on the first 50 amps. They sold 48 of the first 50 already, by the way. Not sure when I'll see one but LA Vintage Gear is going to be a dealer for them, but no date for delivery set yet. I'm sure if there are only 2 left of the first 50, the dealers won't be getting those in for demo / stock amps.

Too rich from my blood. I'll stick with my modified Gibsonette through an old Marshall 412 cab!

[Reeltarded]

I'd rather play a board game.

[Scumback Speakers]

I'd rather play a board game.

Milies, if you could just try to voice your feelings into words and not be so pent up all the time...

[Reeltarded]

I'd rather play a board game.

Milies, if you could just try to voice your feelings into words and not be so pent up all the time...

More parsimonious in my vernacular?

I'll try.

[Mark]

What's your take on the speaker that Page actually has in the amp, (American speaker reckoned with a pulsonic cone.)

So you think the amp had the output transformer replaced. The amp was worked on in the sixties the mod can't be too much.

[M Fowler]

Maybe Mitch will reveal more info on upcoming Tone Talk program.

Mark

[harleytech]

I wouldn't count on it... He was pretty mum at NAMM from the Throbak video I saw when they tried
to interview him..

[Scumback Speakers]

What's your take on the speaker that Page actually has in the amp, (American speaker reckoned with a pulsonic cone.)

So you think the amp had the output transformer replaced. The amp was worked on in the sixties the mod can't be too much.

I don't think whatever speaker is in the original is an American speaker reconed with a Pulsonic cone. They were using cones that don't fit American frames back then, unless that too was cut/modified or whatever to work. Mitch tried a whole bunch of speakers, including a couple of mine, and they wound up with the Jensen P12Q being the closest at 90% according to Mitch. Since mine are so closely patterned after the old Pulsonic cones in Celestions from back then, my guess is that can't be the kind of cone in the original.

We don't know what's in the original, do we? Could be an alnico, instead of ceramic, too.

[RockinRocket]

Here's my take on a youtube comment-

"Its doubtful much of the amp is NOS. Maybe the CC resistors and Ceramic disks that any hobbyist can locate on Ebay with some patience if you know what to look for! 12k is BS, sorry. Then the whole we tried a whole bunch of speakers, reconed different ones and ended up with a stock Jennson P12Q is BS too, its all BS to make a cheap amp and sell it for crazy money. The Classic tone Transformers at less than 200$ are the most expensive part of the build. Once the amp surfaces all will know what the "mods" are.. and can build for 500$ DIY"


8 watts? Variac? Adjusted bias cathode resistor?
Guaranteed very little actuall R D went into this. Cut/past, best we can , ask 12k!

[Mark]

I doubt we will ever see inside the 50 LTD ED amps I think will see what's going on when the cheaper amplifier is come out and people are prepared to open them and take photos.

I'm not expecting a lot, as mod work really wasn't very popular back in those days, it could be a happy accident just someone not having the right Transformer or maybe someone even making some sort of mistake which sounded good.

A good speaker can make A lot of difference to an amplifier. I'm a little surprised that they went past the scumback speakers and even the WGS speakers. Still a Scumback isn't an American sounding speaker.

I wondered how close Royal amps were to the original timbre.

http://www.royalamps.com/specs.html

Seems they got the speaker right, and the power valves wrong. The clip is long winded, the amp sounds pretty good though not the same a the S.D. amp, in some ways I prefer Royal amp, though the recording of the clips is very different.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9nwBSqSREfg

I wonder if the Jimmy Page Hiwatt is next though that cat is out of the bag.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UtRx6fcjAyE

A bit more reading.

http://www.mylespaul.com/threads/jimmy- ... 01.166251/

https://www.lespaulforum.com/forum/show ... -THE-BEANS!!!

[cbass]

sorry about that deleted