Dumbleator build, help with strange voltages

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Re: Dumbleator build, help with strange voltages

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norburybrook wrote:OK, this is really embarrassing ... :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

the reason I had negative voltages was................

I HAD THE LEADS FROM MY MULTI METER THE WRONG WAY ROUND

I'll get my coat....................

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Re: Dumbleator build, help with strange voltages

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norburybrook wrote:OK, this is really embarrassing ... :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:


the reason I had negative voltages was................




I HAD THE LEADS FROM MY MULTI METER THE WRONG WAY ROUND



I'll get my coat....................


Marcus
I imagine almost everyone has made that mistake a time or two...

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Re: Dumbleator build, help with strange voltages

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Marcus, I was going to ask at one point but... I would still replace those filter caps however. What are your voltages looking like now?
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Re: Dumbleator build, help with strange voltages

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thanks Guys, my voltages are around 264 vDC and I've got 191v DC going to the valve pin 1.

Everything works as expected but I have a terrible hum though, seems to be on the output as its affected by the output level pot.

I've swapped valves and checked the shielded cable runs. they're all connected at one end only and I tried pulling the shield from the out jack all together but it made no difference as does chop sticking the cables etc

I have some of my shields going to the bus bar rather than the pots, could that make any difference?


Is it possible it's the caps making such a bad hum?


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Re: Dumbleator build, help with strange voltages

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Marcus, a couple things. The output level is the output for the entire unit so your hum could be anywhere in the circuit. Is that chassis painted black? In which case running your coaxial shields to the back of the pots does not ground them. Brandon(Bludotone) did a Dumbleator post a long time ago and he talked about how he ties the back of each pot to the buss bar and runs the coaxial shield drains to the buss bar. You may do a search and find that post. Finally, and I don't want to sound like a broken record but those filter caps can not be trusted at this point.
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Re: Dumbleator build, help with strange voltages

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Charlie, I have all my shields going to the buss bar and the earth legs of the pots tied to it as well. The earth points are scraped clear of paint so I'm pinning my hopes that the hum is coming from the bad caps as I can't think of what to try next.

they should be here tomorrow so I' replace those then see how things stand.


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Re: Dumbleator build, help with strange voltages

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Markus. What does you PT secondary voltage read ?
The PT I had made is 138.7 VAC no load to achieve 255v on pin 1
I used a 12k 3 watt and a 56k 3 watt replacing the 15k and 100k
I don't recall what I changed the 100k on pin 6 to get 235v.
I'm sure each PT is different. And you want 30v on pin3.

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Re: Dumbleator build, help with strange voltages

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+1 on replacing the components.

One of my most memorable negative voltage experiences was on my first rewiring for a donor amp, I put the bias cap in like every other cap with the negative to ground.

They are loud when they explode. Covered me in white powder and little bits of paper like a cheap firecracker. My wife was sure I'd shot something. Good thing I was wearing reading glasses.

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Re: Dumbleator build, help with strange voltages

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Yep, we used to blow up caps by connecting them to a extension cord from the wall.

Of course I had a switch on it so we could be a safe distance away.....

BOOOOM! :lol:
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Re: Dumbleator build, help with strange voltages

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Structo, and why did you do that? Hopefully they weren't orange Spragues. :D
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Re: Dumbleator build, help with strange voltages

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Hello, while we are on the subject of Dumbleators. Does anyone know what the orange drop cap sitting all by itself is. Does this unit have a ground switch?
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Re: Dumbleator build, help with strange voltages

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Charlie Wilson wrote:Hello, while we are on the subject of Dumbleators. Does anyone know what the orange drop cap sitting all by itself is. Does this unit have a ground switch?
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Death cap.

The 1-N-2 ground switch is the one located furthest to the right on the front panel of the chassis.
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Re: Dumbleator build, help with strange voltages

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Structo wrote:Yep, we used to blow up caps by connecting them to a extension cord from the wall.

Of course I had a switch on it so we could be a safe distance away.....

BOOOOM! :lol:
Structo,

Were you in my class at electronics school in the early 80's?

Did the exact same thing! Rigged a bunch of small e-caps to extension cords plugged into bench power strips in the lab classroom. Instructor comes in and turns on the power and.... ;-)

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Re: Dumbleator build, help with strange voltages

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OK back on target.

I've fitted the new caps today and also replaced the diodes. Still hums.

tried lifting various shields including the main earth. still hums

So I redid all the earth wiring an also the wires from the power board and separated the heater wires. Still Hums :(



OK voltages

B+ 270v DC and 196 vDC

so I've got 196v DC at pin 1

and 20.8v DC at pin 3

these seem a bit low compared to the schematic.


the transformer unloaded is putting out 130v AC


I'm at a loss now as I've more or less replaced and rewired the power board, rewired all the earths.


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Re: Dumbleator build, help with strange voltages

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norburybrook wrote:OK, this is really embarrassing ... :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:


the reason I had negative voltages was................




I HAD THE LEADS FROM MY MULTI METER THE WRONG WAY ROUND



I'll get my coat....................

Marcus
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