Looks Like Jupiter Caps Is Making Speakers Too

[Cliff Schecht]

I'd love to try a P12N copy but $250 is a lot, you can get a real one for cheaper if you try. Which one did you try? You didn't mention a specific model.

Anybody tried their cloth covered wire? I'm not expecting a massive tonal improvement but I'd at least hope it was really good quality stuff..

[Structo]

Hey Milkman, I enjoyed that tune, Toxic.

Very nicely done.

[Milkmansound]

thanks!!

Believe it or not I recorded that in my bedroom. The guitar was done through a tweed princeton clone built into a recycled cabinet from a newer fender amp that was found on the street.

regarding the jupiter speaker - I bought the 50W C12

I emailed Chris to see if he could elaborate on the difference between his speaker and the WGS version. Stay tuned!

[Turret]

I emailed Chris to see if he could elaborate on the difference between his speaker and the WGS version. Stay tuned!

I'm still tuned

[Milkmansound]

huh. I guess he never answered. Lots of time has gone by and I have installed a lot more Jupiter speakers... not sure how they compare to WGS but they are MUCH higher quality than anything else I have tried.

He has been doing these limited edition hand made hemp paper cone speakers lately. I have a few, and they are ridiculous. The midrange is out of this world. Unfortunately I will not be sharing my stash of these

[Leo_Gnardo]

huh. I guess he never answered. Lots of time has gone by and I have installed a lot more Jupiter speakers... not sure how they compare to WGS but they are MUCH higher quality than anything else I have tried.

He has been doing these limited edition hand made hemp paper cone speakers lately. I have a few, and they are ridiculous. The midrange is out of this world. Unfortunately I will not be sharing my stash of these

How come I never heard of these? I keep my ear to the ground... must be the wrong planet. Gas Music from Jupiter, indeed! Now, with hemp. Hmph!

Link anybody? T'anks in advance!

[Turret]

Link anybody? T'anks in advance!

Here's on official website with no description whatsoever http://jupitercondenser.com/Guitar-Spea ... akers.html

And with laconic description http://vintagefenderamprepair.com/speakers/

Cheers

[Milkmansound]

I do not know why they say "ASSY by WGS" on the back because I know that Chris puts them together himself now.

At least thats true for the special order ones that I get - he builds them and they take a few weeks to get after I order them.

They are all US made - including the baskets and spiders. He does not use any chinese anything and is proud of that.

I think he is having a tough time breaking into the speaker market - he has had a lot of success with the caps but the speaker world is very different. I am definitely suffering from diabetes from the amount of kool aid I drank - the speakers are amazing. Just take my word for it and try one! The prices are fair for the quality, and speakers are obviously very important for the tone of your amp. If you are doing a Fender style build - try the Jupiter speakers.

[Blackburn]

I can report on one of their models that I had in one of my 5E3s a while back. I forget the term used by Jupiter, but it was a copy of the P12N, I think. Too bad that speaker died a horrible UPS death, because I recall being fond of it when it was in use. Nice chimey clean tones and a growl when you dig in. Good headroom. I thought it sounded very much like a good Jensen, but I tried to trade it for some cash and it was murdered. I regret ever pulling it from that cab.

[JazzGuitarGimp]

I see there are no hempcone models listed on their website as of yet. I wonder if these will be readably available in the future...

[renshen1957]

That's a lot of assumptions made there.

Same with a $5G CS Strat, if that's the best fender can make then the $1200 one must be that much worse, and the $600 one must be crap.

Leo made one Strat, one Tele, one Mustang, each the very best he could make. Old Gibson made one LP, one 335, one Melody Maker all the best it could make. Old Martin offered one D28, one D18 - all the best it could make...

And, I'd still like to try one of the Jupiters.

Hi,

What is the difference between the pickups on a $5k CS strat and the $1k2 Strat? None. The Hardware (Tremblock, bridge, etc)? None
The Pots and the caps-electronics? None. The Neck may have better quality wood and shaped by a Craftsman from a precut CNC blank, same with the body, and the finish, but most of the CS shop stop to my experience uses standard parts.

I would expect for 5 grand, hand wound pickups, a cold rolled steel block, special custom ordered and taper pots, or at least a hand built guitar.

Used to be on Harmony (now Hemorrhoid) Central you'd read some negative reviews on Fender CS stuff.

These got purged since the time Craig Anderton took over. I guess you can't dare to offend a major advertiser.

Favorable CS reviews date back to 1998, but the ones that complained about CS poor customer service or warped necks in 2009-2010 have long since disappeared.

Since the format changed into a Guitar Center style website, you can't easily view guitars by brand and users reviews. Reviews I posted for some smaller shops products no longer can be found.

I could write reams about Gibson's custom shop.

The point is other than fancier neck woods, a custom body, or "relic" finish, most Custom Shop products contain standard parts and do not differ much electrically from the non custom shop models.

Best regards

Steve

[renshen1957]

I'd love to try a P12N copy but $250 is a lot, you can get a real one for cheaper if you try. Which one did you try? You didn't mention a specific model.

Anybody tried their cloth covered wire? I'm not expecting a massive tonal improvement but I'd at least hope it was really good quality stuff..

Hi Cliff,

TedWeber.com charges about the same amount of money for their P12N copy. Weber has built a reputation.

The word on the street are the Italian made vintage repos by Jensen retail for the same or more money but aren't close to the originals for sound. AES sells these for $255.00 these cost more than the fairy dust by either company. I can get these Wholesale from CEDIST for $187, but what's the point.

I wouldn't purchase an original Jensen on Ebay sight unseen.

I haven't tried the cloth covered wire. This is a Audiophile concept which may or may not hold water, but I haven't tried built any audio equipment recently.

Using air as the insulator is interesting, but I prefer Teflon as it doesn't burn. Ken Fischer in an interview said that teflon insulation made the circuit too bright unless he designed around it.

Best regards,

Steve

[renshen1957]

interesting I would who actually makes them?

I'm also curious about the silk and cotton covered wire. I can go both sides on the plastic insulation debate, but I'm curious as to how the silk and cotton hold up in climates that are damp. If you had wires over lapping or twisted together such as heater wires. (19awg 6-4) in a wet climate like Seattle where everything is damp would the cotton be prone to absorbing moisture? and if so how much until it could arch and start causing problems?

I like the natural hi freq roll off but my internal red flag goes off about the practical application.

If the water vapor is close to distilled in purity, it wouldn't matter. Distilled water makes a good insulator, about 1 million ohms of resistance.

Best regards,

Steve

[Structo]

Unfortunately Selloutrr is not with us any longer.

But I think there is a very good reason that cloth insulation went the way of the Do Do bird.

Prone to rot and moisture absorption.

A lot of people like the newer stuff for the look but I don't use it anymore for amps.

Strats yes, but that is for looks only.

[rp]

Unfortunately Selloutrr is not with us any longer.

But I think there is a very good reason that cloth insulation went the way of the Do Do bird. Prone to rot and moisture absorption. A lot of people like the newer stuff for the look but I don't use it anymore for amps. Strats yes, but that is for looks only.

The new stuff I've had is just pvc with a cloth over-wrap so it's use is purely aesthetic. No idea what the Jupiter stuff is. If all cloth I'm really surprised it's legal, guess speakers might be classified as low voltage?