what a 4th grader was taught

[cbass]

We shouldn't be using chemical fertilizer on our foods to begin with.Or really anywhere

[LeftyStrat]

We shouldn't be using chemical fertilizer on our foods to begin with.Or really anywhere

I hear ya. I grow everything I can and just use compost. Unfortunately there are some things I can't grow here because it doesn't get hot enough (jalapenos, okra, basil). Though I've thought about setting up some grow lights and trying it indoors, along with a few of the recently legalized varieties.

[cbass]

Try some fresno peppers they are better than jalopenos and they like cooler weather

Hell if its legal grow it outside .Them canadian strains finish early.Nowhere near as good as the later finishing strains devoloped around here but still decent bud

[Colossal]

We shouldn't be using chemical fertilizer on our foods to begin with.Or really anywhere

+ everything. Or genetically modifying what Ma Nature has already perfected or inhumanely farming animals...

[LeftyStrat]

We shouldn't be using chemical fertilizer on our foods to begin with.Or really anywhere

+ everything. Or genetically modifying what Ma Nature has already perfected or inhumanely farming animals...

Or injecting cows with all those antibiotics and growth hormones.

It may be my imagination, but I swear that free range chicken has more flavor than factory farm chickens. It's not all that scientifically farfetched, exercise makes a difference in cuts of beef.

[Leo_Gnardo]

Hell if its legal grow it outside .Them canadian strains finish early.Nowhere near as good as the later finishing strains devoloped around here but still decent bud

Afghani - Vermont's real #1 cash crop for 30 years. Similar enough climate.

Big laugh - according to NPR this week Vermont's legislature is considering allowing farmers to grow hemp. For rope ya know... and fuel, animal feed & paint.

[LeftyStrat]

But back to the explosion. I worked 17 years for Michelin Tire Corp, starting as a machinist and working my way up to writing software for everything from 5-axis milling machines to CAD systems for tire design.

Michelin has one of the best safety records of any company in the automotive industry. Why? Because it is emphasized from the top down. We were given gifts for every six months of going without a "lost worktime accident" and sometimes goes as long as two years without such an accident (and when it happened it was usually an office worker twisting their ankle on the stairs, or a freaking paper cut).

I've also noticed that every startup I've worked for seems to have a personality that closely mimics that of the CEO.

IMHO, this disaster reeks of a shortsighted CEO who put short term profits first, along with a total disregard for the value and goodwill of his workers and their community.

There are two views you can have towards your employees; either they are your greatest access, or your biggest cost center.

If we could just modify "maximizing shareholder value" to "maximizing stakeholder value" meaning shareholders, employees, the community, and customers, we could go a long way towards a better society. We actually had more of it back in the days of Henry Ford and Leo Fender.

Yes Leo was a cost conscious businessman, but he was also concerned with his customers, concerned about his amp still working after being bounced around in the back of a pickup on the way to a gig.

Corporations have evolved into a system where the shyster can come in, shit all over the place to the tunes of millions, and then move on when the shit hits the fan. This is all fueled by speculative investors who care more about quick profits.

Sorry for the rant. Unfortunately, I know what to complain about, but don't know how to fix it. It might start with a requirement for students to be schooled in the logic of ethics, unfortunately that will take twenty years to have any effect.

[Reeltarded]

We can stop all the fertilizing and injecting and all that if you don't mind losing around 60-70% of the World population.

I am fine with it. Let. Me know.

[cbass]

We can stop all the fertilizing and injecting and all that if you don't mind losing around 60-70% of the World population.

I am fine with it. Let. Me know.

I consume very little meat/dairy that is injected or chemicalized.

I don't see the problem.I can throw off more tomatoes with manure/compost than I can with miricle grow

[Reeltarded]

GMO allowed the Earth to double it's population in my lifetime. That is what I am sayin'.. 4 bushels became 10. That is the difference.

[LeftyStrat]

GMO allowed the Earth to double it's population in my lifetime. That is what I am sayin'.. 4 bushels became 10. That is the difference.

And that doubled population will destroy us.

Not much chance for any of our kids.

[LeftyStrat]

GMO allowed the Earth to double it's population in my lifetime. That is what I am sayin'.. 4 bushels became 10. That is the difference.

And that doubled population will destroy us.

Not much chance for any of our kids.

Sorry, but my three beautiful children have to deal with all the things we shit on. And their grandkids even worst. We use to cut down pecan trees because they seemed endless. We've viewed endless when it wasn't.

I've always tried to have a positive outlook, and I could give a flying shit about the future, other than the outlook that the earth has limited resources, well use them up and fuck our offspring.

[LeftyStrat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_swaxOidGU

[Reeltarded]

The New World was populated for lots of reasons, religion not being the first of them. Isabella had a problem common to all europeans of the time. They were human termites.

The first people to do anything learn the big lessons much too late to act wisely.

Our problem is that we are the kids of wise people. We can do it all but different this time. We are smarter than that. We'll do it right.

No one ever learns. Nobody knows history because the version you get doesn't include all the suck and blow. It's really for our own good. Do not feel bad about where ye come from, as if you came from 150 years ago..?

The World made it's mind what to be without asking us much. If you try to do what is right someone will pass a law against talking like that, and thinking like that, and feeling like that.

[LeftyStrat]

GMO allowed the Earth to double it's population in my lifetime. That is what I am sayin'.. 4 bushels became 10. That is the difference.

Which is fucked up. We need less people in the world.