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glennc717
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Re: MOVED: Which would sound better and by how much?

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sliberty wrote:Glenn,

Boxiness is common with all small combos. Even small closed back cabinets can sound boxy. I replaced a Lopoline 1x12 with a larger StageCraft 1x12, and the difference was remarkable.

The fact that one of your guitars has been a problem with respect to muddy and shrill tones, and not your others sort of tells the story. And the fact that replacing pots and caps helped a lot seems to corroberate the same story. Those symptoms are not from your amp or speaker. They are from the guitar.

BTW, old speakers can sometimes be fantastic. Age is not a problem in and of itself. I keep telling myself the same thing about myself as I get older :)

Now, as for low volumes - this is the age old problem. Even some of the finest amps sound awful at very low volumes. For example, I think that a Marshall 18 watter sounds great on 10, but I think it sounds like crap on 4 (just one man's opinion of course). Attenuators will help you lower the volume level while still pushing your tubes, but they often have their own sonic problems. Most are not very transparent. But you may find one you like. Some here like the AirBrake. I built one, and liked it for a while, bit eventually decided that I was losing too much tone, so I sold it off. YMMV.


I would recommend that you stick to one problem at a time. Since you seem to have solved the muddy and shrill issues with that one guitar, next you might work on getting the perfect tone (for your taste) at rehearsal levels. Once you achieve that (and it might not be possible with the amp you own - it depends on what perfect for you means), you can then attack the bedroom level question.

BTW - the quest for tone is a never ending journey. And it can be a lot of fun, but it can also be very expensive. So try to address it scientifically, and you will be more likely to get there with a few bucks left in your pocket. :)




I guess I am trying to help you avoid spending a lot of money on the wrong remedies until you finally discover the real problems.
Howdy Steve,
With the improvement so far and what you called the transparency issues, I've given up on anything more than some minor experimentation.
The bass is still not controlled to my liking as are the shrill highs. I appreciate the concept of saving as much money as I can, actually it is a requirement. So the search will initially start with a speaker. I am liking my speaker a more since the changes, but have heard that a good speaker can do away with the boxiness. That I believe is a worthwhile, not super expensive start. I just wish there were more comparison clips done professionally to at least point me in the right direction. I've listened to a bunch.
I may have mentioned in passing above, but a member introduced me to the boutique 1/2 Watt Gilmore Junior amp. From the sound clip running through fair quality computer speakers, it was astounding. I know I will not get this kind of tonal range out of the Fender. If someone had sat me down 20 years ago and played the Fender and the Gilmore side by side, I probably would have foregone the Fender. The volumes I play at are articulated by this little amp through a 12". One day I may build one.
But it is a money thing at this time. I am glad to hear you managed to control the boxiness with a speaker. That is hopeful. As for a separate cabinet at the moment I am stuck between a full or open back. I don't want boomy bass. So maybe I can get the cabinet with a removable panel when I get to that stage of the savings/spending game.
Cheers
Glenn
glennc717
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Re: MOVED: Which would sound better and by how much?

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rdjones wrote:
glennc717 wrote:Another opinion question. I have A fender blues jr green board stock. I would like to increase the quality of the sound, at least at this moment without making any permanent mods. I have replaced the tubes which has helped alot. Which of the following do you think would be the most cost effective and sound effective.
1. Just replace the speaker in the combo.
2. Get a closed back 212 cabinet and using the original speaker and a second in it. Suggestions solicited.
3. Leave the Combo alone an get a 1X12 closed back cabinet and new speaker and run them both.
4. Saw a 212 combo cabinet designed to accept the blues jr amp, and add a speaker.
For plan square footage the combo sitting on top of a 1X12 would take the least space and probably be the least expensive.
Well ears open for opinions, both positive and negative showing the benefits or lack of all or any of the changes.
Thanks
Glenn
The green board BJ schematic I have shows a single 8Ω secondary.
If you want 2x12 they need to be 16Ω ea.

rd
Hello rd,
Thanks for your kind assistance. I haven't kept track of the changes so I looked into my amp. It has on jack for the speaker in the combo and a footswitch jack. The speaker is an 8 ohm. So, to remember some electrical knowledge if I were to split the output jack cable I could would need to use 2 16 ohms speakers in parallel to get the 8 ohm requirement.
I have read and been advised that the requirement of 8 ohms is not set in stone. Since I don't know I could use the clarification. I have been advised that I could use a 16/8 or 4 ohm speaker singly to replace the original 8 ohm. Is this true? As my hunt for a speaker begins, this seems rather important.
Glenn
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Re: MOVED: Which would sound better and by how much?

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rdjones wrote:
glennc717 wrote: As noted the speaker is around 20 years old. The amp is quite a bit louder and more powerful than I need, due to the volume bedroom/neighbor/wife issues. I am hoping that a speaker and or a cabinet might take it far enough for a distinct improvement.Glenn
My best speakers are over 40 years old with original cones.
Unless the the outer edge has separated, or it has a VC rub (noticeable rattle/buzz) it's not an age issue but it may very well be "voicing".

Very few speakers designed to sound decent at club volumes will sound good at bedroom volume.
An amp with built in distortion or even pedals will sound unnatural below a certain SPL.
I suggest working out a daypart schedule with the natives to allow a "practice hour" where a reasonable volume can be achieved.
If the wife still doesn't understand you need something else besides a new speaker.

RedDog Steve
Hey RD Steve,
Point taken. Age is not necessarily a detriment to speakers. It is doing me much good... I am pre coffee kicking in so your reference to SPL is lost in translation. Another point is that in my generation prospective brides studied under my Italian grandmother on how to cook properly. That and a other certain affection/perks the years have built up, make the last option impossible {:-))! I feel that I am on the road to a bandage that will last until I can afford the operation.
Thanks again!
Glenn
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