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Cliff Schecht wrote:
I also want to build...an RCA theremin (last one is sort of a pipe dream..).
I didn't want to derail David Root's thread so thought I'd start a new one.

My wife wants me to build her a theremin so I have this on my To Do list. I haven't even started to research it yet save for looking at a few schematics. Joe Bonamassa is using a Moog Etherwave. Any thoughts on silicon vs. tube theremins? I want to build a nice hardwood box for it and run it into a delay pedal, maybe a wah or phaser would be cool 8)
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Have seen some for sale on the'bay.
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Tube theremins have a tendency to "pull" each others oscillators on the low notes adding a certain color to the tones that only tube theremins can produce naturally. This is a side-effect of inadequate decoupling between the stages combined with the fact that tubes draw a lot more current and have much higher dv/dt's than transistor theremins. This effect only really happens at lower frequencies where the two oscillators are close enough in frequency to actually pull each other, once they get a certain distance (frequency-wise) away they tend to work more independently. What this does is make the low notes nice and fat and the high notes the more pure sinusoidal shape that theremins produce (i.e. ballsy low notes and singing high notes). The other thing that tubes beat transistors in is the distortion that the tube stages produce naturally, something that a few SS theremins attempt to emulate but never nail.

With that said I love my Etherwave theremin (well Big Briar, but same difference) and would never trade it. My dad built it when I was a young'n and I quickly took it over and learned to play it. Very fun instrument and not always completely useless.

Also the PAiA theremin is a lot of fun and has some unique features. The built in CV outputs are great for controlling a synth with the theremin and you can mix in a square wave again to make this thing very usable with a synth.

There are quite a few schematics online. I think my first build is going to be the Moog tube design that he posted in his article. Uses common tubes and isn't overly complex..

Also here is one of my favorite (ab)uses of theremin. It's a crappy cable access program which features a theremin, a chapman stick and some weird midi drum thingy. The Chapman stick player is terrible and the rhythm player is goofy as all get out, but the theremin player makes some intense faces! Seriously, watch it until the end, it's worth it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU41sOFvQWY
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Looks like Moog offers the Etherwave and Etherwave Plus as a kit:

http://www.moogmusic.com/products/ether ... eremin-kit
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Cliff Schecht wrote:Tube theremins have a tendency to "pull" each others oscillators on the low notes adding a certain color to the tones that only tube theremins can produce naturally. This is a side-effect of inadequate decoupling between the stages combined with the fact that tubes draw a lot more current and have much higher dv/dt's than transistor theremins. This effect only really happens at lower frequencies where the two oscillators are close enough in frequency to actually pull each other, once they get a certain distance (frequency-wise) away they tend to work more independently. What this does is make the low notes nice and fat and the high notes the more pure sinusoidal shape that theremins produce (i.e. ballsy low notes and singing high notes). The other thing that tubes beat transistors in is the distortion that the tube stages produce naturally, something that a few SS theremins attempt to emulate but never nail.
Wow, very cool!
Also here is one of my favorite (ab)uses of theremin. It's a crappy cable access program which features a theremin, a chapman stick and some weird midi drum thingy. The Chapman stick player is terrible and the rhythm player is goofy as all get out, but the theremin player makes some intense faces! Seriously, watch it until the end, it's worth it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU41sOFvQWY
Well, that was....(how to say this politely)...interesting! That was difficult to sit through (that midi drum thing is just awful) but the theremin work was pretty cool.
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This looks to be the place to get info: http://www.thereminworld.com/schematics.asp I did Moogfest last year and heard some pretty cool Therimin playing among other electronic music. The main impetus for going was to catch a rare appearance by Massive Attack... didn't disapoint!
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One of the old masters of the Theremin was Clara Rockmore (1911-1998).

It's a bit dated but you can see how she puts everything into it when playing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSzTPGlNa5U

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... kmore&aq=f
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The Etherwave is the way to go. I have had a few Maestros too. Those can be nice.

Etherwaves with short solid detectors work best. ;)

Make sure you paint it with a paint that has no metal additives. I like using a volume pedal and leaving the amplitude wide open. I am better with two hands on the pitch, with the right hand working vibrato.

I have also rigged the amplitude to be foot placement before.
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Bumped into this image and remembered this post:

An RCA Theremin, probably 1929.
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Very cool RP!

I'll probably build the Etherwave equivalent for the Mrs. though.
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Here is a Theremin Simulator program.
It's fun to mess around with, you control it with your mouse.

It is a direct app that doesn't install.

It's just an .exe

Look near the bottom of the page for Theremin Simulator.

http://www.thereminworld.com/software.asp
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So now I am looking into the theremins too. The Keppinger design looks pretty cool, it is all tube with huge coils and has a built in amp! I haven't priced out the transformers yet but I found the coils and chassis set pre drilled for just over $200. It would be a cool piece to have in the living room.

I told my wife that I should build one because "no one else has a theremin" she then reminded me no one else has half of the crazy stuff I have.

It would be pretty cool to throw some effects on it and get a good groovy back beat going and see what happens. I have seen Bonamassa and Keller Williams do some cool stuff
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