Boycot Arizona

[DerStever]

A songwriter once wrote "Living in a strange land, what was right, now is wrong."

[Bear]

There is no civial rights for illegal aliens period

This is completely false, period. Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356 (1886). The Supreme Court read the Constitution, and what do you know, the only rights that are just for citizens are the rights to vote and hold office. All others are for "persons." Which includes foreign nationals. There is absolutely no legal controversy on this point.

[Cygnus X1]

There is no civial rights for illegal aliens period

This is completely false, period. Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356 (1886). The Supreme Court read the Constitution, and what do you know, the only rights that are just for citizens are the rights to vote and hold office. All others are for "persons." Which includes foreign nationals. There is absolutely no legal controversy on this point.

Fine then.
If you are going to stand for that side, then how can one defend "rights without responsibilities"?

That is the fact that is stirring the controversy.
A simple traffic stop of an illegal alien turns into an issue of "turn them over to the proper federal authorities"...who continue to do absolutely nothing.
Escalate that to felonies, murder...etc.

They continue to NOT prosecute.

So why is it so difficult to understand why Arizona would take the next step...to actually try to enforce the law?

Are they above our laws?

I keep hearing the ninnies against this in Arizna say "We turn them over to proper authorities to deal with it by the law".
But the same things keep happening, and are escalating by the thousands.

Another case of the Federal government passing along problems, and the far left proclaiming false rights.

We are indeed a nation of immigrants.
We are also a nation ruled by law.
The states have a Constitutional right to protection just as citizens do.
Analogy:
When the local police fail to stop the crime wave at my doorstep, I have every right to enforce it myself.

[Cygnus X1]

El double...

[Bear]

Fine then.
If you are going to stand for that side, then how can one defend "rights without responsibilities"?

Yes, I stand for the Constitution. Funny side to be against. I don't understand how that constitutes a set of "false rights." That doesn't mean a right for illegal aliens to be here. When they are here, though, they do have certain rights against unchecked government action. Like a right to real due process in proceedings for criminal charges so they aren't convicted of crimes by kangaroo courts. I fail to see how that's offensive. Due process rights don't do a hell of a lot against a lawful deportation proceeding, though.

[M Fowler]

I'm not going give any due process or civial rights to illegal aliens.

How's that clear enough or do I need to spell it out for you?

[Bear]

I'm not going give any due process or civial rights to illegal aliens.

How's that clear enough or do I need to spell it out for you?

If you're not a government, and if you're not denying someone a public accommodation in violation of the current Civil Rights Act (national origin is protected but I believe alienage is not), you don't have to.

But all governmental entities in the U.S. have to follow the Constitution.

[Firestorm]

But all governmental entities in the U.S. have to follow the Constitution.

Try telling that to the United States Congress (or SCOTUS for that matter):(

[passfan]

This situation mirrors the drug problem of the late 80's. Once we realized we couldn't win the so called "war on drugs" at the border, we went after the users. Now our prisons are overcrowded with "mild offenders". Cost us a lot of money, and we still have a drug problem. If we want to stop illegal immigration fine the shit out of the companies and individuals responsible for their employment. List the names publicly so we can boycott them and we'll see how quick the flow stops. The federal government catches them and deports them. You start throwing them in jail and your prisons are going to be overcrowded with people who are being enticed across the border by the promise of a job. Take away that promise and the only thing left is illegal drug trafficking and I say just shoot them at the border.

[David Root]

From the Seattle Times: Arizona is about to outlaw a Mexican-American studies program in the Tucson Unified School District because it "promotes ethnic solidarity".

Instituted by a Maricopa County Republican, it is being cynically supported by the state's Superintendent of Public Instruction, another Republican who, as it happens, is running for Attorney General.

I suppose the next one will be a ban on gender studies because that makes women feel good about themselves.

[gearhead]

The bill applies to all public and charter schools, from kindergarten through high school.

It would ban classes that:

• Promote the overthrow of the U.S. government.

• Promote resentment toward a race or class of people.

• Are designed primarily for pupils of a particular ethnic group.

• Advocate ethnic solidarity instead of treating pupils as individuals.

Bill Sponsor:
"It would ban La Raza studies because it's a course that's aimed primarily at members of one race, and we have testimony that this has promoted resentment toward one race," Horne said Friday. "Raza" means "race."

One insiders persepective (John Ward) of said course/department:

As a former teacher in Tucson Unified School District's hotly debated ethnic studies department, I submit my perspective for the public's consideration.

During the 2002-2003 school year, I taught a U.S. history course with a Mexican-American perspective. The course was part of the Raza/Chicano studies department.

Within one week of the course beginning, I was told that I was a "teacher of record," meaning that I was expected only to assign grades. The Raza studies department staff would teach the class.

I was assigned to be a "teacher of record" because some members of the Raza studies staff lacked teaching certificates. It was a convenient way of circumventing the rules.

I stated that I expected to do more than assign grades. I expected to be involved in teaching the class. The department was less than enthusiastic but agreed.

Immediately it was clear that the class was not a U.S. history course, which the state of Arizona requires for graduation. The class was similar to a sociology course one expects to see at a university.

Where history was missing from the course, it was filled by controversial and biased curriculum.

The basic theme of the curriculum was that Mexican-Americans were and continue to be victims of a racist American society driven by the interests of middle and upper-class whites.

In this narrative, whites are able to maintain their influence only if minorities are held down. Thus, social, political and economic events in America must be understood through this lens.

This biased and sole paradigm justified teaching that our community police officers are an extension of the white power structure and that they are the strongmen used "to keep minorities in their ghettos."

It justified telling the class that there are fewer Mexican-Americans in Tucson Magnet High School's advanced placement courses because their "white teachers" do not believe they are capable and do not want them to get ahead.

It justified teaching that the Southwestern United States was taken from Mexicans because of the insatiable greed of the Yankee who acquired his values from the corrupted ethos of Western civilization.

It was taught that the Southwest is "Atzlan," the ancient homeland of the Aztecs, and still rightfully belongs to their descendants - to all people of indigenous Mexican heritage.

As an educator, I refused to be complicit in a curriculum that engendered racial hostility, irresponsibly demeaned America's civil institutions, undermined our public servants, discounted any virtues in Western civilization and taught disdain for American sovereignty.

When I raised these concerns, I was told that I was a "racist," despite being Hispanic. Acknowledging my heritage, the Raza studies staff also informed me that I was a vendido, the Spanish term for "sellout."

The culmination of my challenge to the department's curriculum was my removal from that particular class. The Raza studies department and its district-level allies pressured the Tucson High administration to silence my concerns through reassignment to another class during that one period.

The Raza studies department used the "racist" card, which is probably the most worn-out and desperate maneuver used to silence competing perspectives.

It is fundamentally anti-intellectual because it immediately stops debate by threatening to destroy the reputation of those who would provide counter arguments.

Unfortunately, I am not the only one to have been intimidated by the Raza studies department in this way.

The diplomatic and flattering language that the department and its proponents use to describe the Raza studies program is an attempt to avoid public scrutiny. When necessary, the department invokes terms such as "witch hunt" and "McCarthyism" to diminish the validity of whatever public scrutiny it does get.

The proponents of this program may conceal its reality to the public. But as a former teacher in the program, I am witness to its ugly underbelly.
Arizona taxpayers should ask themselves whether they should pay for the messages engendered in these classrooms with their hard-earned tax dollars.

The Raza studies department has powerful allies in TUSD, on its governing board and in the U.S. House of Representatives and thus operates with much impunity.

Occasionally there are minor irritations from the state superintendent of public instruction and the Legislature.

Ultimately, Arizona taxpayers own TUSD and have the right to change it. The change will have to come from replacing the board if its members refuse to make the Raza studies department respect the public trust.

May 21, 2008
John A. Ward

[Cygnus X1]

And for standing up on your hind legs, you shall be labeled as "intolerant".

But take an American flag into Mexico, and you would be jailed, raped, and mutilated, with your head in one place and the rest miles away.

But we are the ones prosecuted.

Don't worry, the current administration is making it very clear to us and the rest of the world that our success shall not soil the esteem of those less successful.

American success that has helped out the rest of the world in times of crisis need not be suffered any more.
Whether in peacetime, or in war.
Our fate is to be one of the largest third world nations in the world for the error of putting out our hand.

George Washington was right:

Fuggem!

[Andy Le Blanc]

Its simply our turn, all Americans are immigrants.

After a while you get confused about who your talking about.

It seems like the problem is extreme enough that a lot of American citizens
are actually willing to vote and maybe even pay more taxes to resolve the issue
in a humane and equitable manner.

Those wet back are the nations future. The new Irish, the new wop, fresh grease.

Its been a while.

[gearhead]

Its simply our turn, all Americans are immigrants.

Huge difference between previous immigrant waves and the current one. Used to have to get on a boat, put all your eggs in one basket, and essentially cut ties with former country and family. Yes, there were other countrymen in the US to commiserate with, but were alone.

Not now. Basically cross border, back and forth if you are so inclined. Keep strong ties with relatives, and in fact, send significant amounts of money earned in this country -back-. Assimilate? Why should you? If you follow La Raza, it's the modern form of Reconquista. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista

[Structo]

And to be clear, La Raza translates to "The Race".

How is that not racist organization?

Imagine a white organization that called itself "The Race".

Oh wait, they did and called themselves the Nazi's.

We know how that one ended.

These people by definition are criminals. They broke the law when they crossed the border illegally.
I don't think much more needs to be said on that matter.

But now they have permeated every aspect of American culture with theirs.

I for one am sick and tired of being forced to accept these people and their culture.

If I wanted to live in Tijuana I would move there.

The solution, whatever it is, will be painful.

Obama wants to grant amnesty only because he stands a good chance that the new Americans will vote for him in 2012.
You gotta admit 20 million votes is not a trivial number.