Non HRM build closer to this ?

[mat]

Hi,

I would like my non-HRM build http://www.pichotel.com/pic/16028B31e/43317.jpg (with dogears tweaks) to be sound vise more like the sound of this lovely sounding Fuchs on the clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOHBg8Mc5_0

It seems to be more mid-rangey and has cleaner overdrive + gets feedback earlier than my clone.

While I like my amp very much, I wouldn't mind further tweaking

Any ideas ?

[Icetech]

ok.. now i want my amp to sound like that:) mine is ok.. but that thing has more life to it....

[dogears]

Just get a crappy video camera and record your speaker cab from that far off axis. I used to do boatloads of clips like this and the tone from off axis is deceptive. Sounds much different than close miced or cab on axis. I see no reason, if you built your clone right, that you couldn't be in the ball park. I have two Fuchs mods and they are both killer btw. So, I know how the dogears recipe cooks up in comparison.

Kudos to Andy for building so many great amps!

PS: Try a touch more negative feedback to smooth things out.....

In the meantime, here is a ditty I recorded a few years ago with my Fender Prosonic Fuchs mod. Close miced w/SM57 http://scottlernermusic.com/music/Storm ... lRemix.mp3

[Normster]

Listen to the DumbleLite clips Fig just posted on TGP. It's all in the touch.

[mat]

Hi dogears,

Just get a crappy video camera and record your speaker cab from that far off axis.

You are right of course. I was about to mention that fact but forgot Actually I think I'm going to try the videocamera option just to see how it affects to the sound.

I see no reason, if you built your clone right, that you couldn't be in the ball park. I have two Fuchs mods and they are both killer btw. So, I know how the dogears recipe cooks up in comparison.

Dont get me wrong. I love my clone very much and I'm _very_ greatful of all the tips You've gave me during the building and tweaking. It is just that I hear more clear mid content on few Fuchs-clips (including Yours on Andys site) than on many sound samples in the forum. The A and D strings sound quite a bit more defined in Your clips than the clone of mine produces. I think that is the area I would like to have a bit of improvement.

There is also very nice 'thup' -sound in the beginning of every note, sounds nicely compressed. That might do something with the pick and string thickness and playing attack tho'. I use 011 strings and 1mm picks.

Kudos to Andy for building so many great amps!

I'll second that for sure

PS: Try a touch more negative feedback to smooth things out.....

You mean the local feedbackloop ? I have switch that chooses off,22M or 44M. I seem to prefer the 44M setting for smoothness.

DOH! You must mean the 4k7 coming from the presence pot.. I'll try 2k2+5k pot and adjust for the best tone.

In the meantime, here is a ditty I recorded a few years ago with my Fender Prosonic Fuchs mod. Close miced w/SM57 http://scottlernermusic.com/music/Storm ... lRemix.mp3

Very nice sounding and playing (as always!), thanks !

[mat]

Listen to the DumbleLite clips Fig just posted on TGP. It's all in the touch.

Hi Normster,

I listened all the clips. What a player Also very cool sounding amp, congrats I hear some of the same grit that my clone gives with the od-channel. That is something that I'm trying to get less (matter of taste).

After I'll finish my Express clone I think I'll build a D-Light combo

If I just had the time..

cheers,

[mat]

Listen to the DumbleLite clips Fig just posted on TGP. It's all in the touch.

Hi Normster,

I listened all the clips. What a player Also very cool sounding amp, congrats I hear some of the same grit that my clone gives with the od-channel. That is something that I'm trying to get less (matter of taste).

After I'll finish my Express clone I think I'll build a D-Light combo

If I just had the time..

cheers,

Hello Normster,

Oh boy!, I was listening to the wrong clips The clips of Fig's are just amazing ! Man this is so good sounding amp ! That's it, I'm going to build the D-Lite

Btw: the RWB sounds superior to Celestion G12-65 re-issue to me.

Sorry again for commenting for the wrong clips,

[Normster]

Mat, what I was trying to point out is that it takes a special technique to get that tone. If Fig (or dogears) were to play your amp, he could probably get it to sound just like the Fuchs. As you listen to Brownnote's clips and Fig's clips, keep in mind that you're hearing two amps that are nearly identical, and yet they sound completely different because of the players.

The first Dumble-style amp I ever built I thought was a complete failure because it didn't have that tone. Then I played a Fuchs modded Bassman that Dogears had tuned and it sounded almost the same as mine. Yet, when Dogears played it, he had that Robben Ford vibe and I still sounded like me.

It's a completely different type of touch sensitivity.

[mat]

Mat, what I was trying to point out is that it takes a special technique to get that tone. If Fig (or dogears) were to play your amp, he could probably get it to sound just like the Fuchs. As you listen to Brownnote's clips and Fig's clips, keep in mind that you're hearing two amps that are nearly identical, and yet they sound completely different because of the players.

The first Dumble-style amp I ever built I thought was a complete failure because it didn't have that tone. Then I played a Fuchs modded Bassman that Dogears had tuned and it sounded almost the same as mine. Yet, when Dogears played it, he had that Robben Ford vibe and I still sounded like me.

It's a completely different type of touch sensitivity.

I agree that the player plays a major role of the tone. And I'm as far from dogears and Fig as one can be when speaking of playing the guitar. Same time the speaker/guitar/recording equipment has their part too. When listening Fig's clips the Celestion clip is far away of the RWB clip IMO.

I'm still in state of getting familiar with my amp. Tweaking the knobs + switches (3-pos mid cap,LFBL,3-posmid boost,PAB,OD,bright,deep,R/J).

Actually I got really nice OD sound yesterday when going trough the fet-input and putting the R/J switch to jazz It cleared the thicker E,A and D strings very nicely and the sound was overall fatter. I'll record a sample after few days so if You might wan't to check it out.

cheers,

[dogears]

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[dogears]

Mat,

I disagree..... The RWB is muddy and not articulate. The last clip Fig did of the 1265 , not part of the first batch, is far and away superior to the RWB to my ears. Articulate and smooth. The RWB is like a band-aid. It is so dull it masks shortcomings of buzzy amps but sounds lifeless on well tuned ones. I have several RWB speakers and the reissue 1265 and in person, nobody who has been here has preferred the RWB. Not close even.... Just sayin'

When listening Fig's clips the Celestion clip is far away of the RWB clip IMO.

I'm still in state of getting familiar with my amp. Tweaking the knobs + switches (3-pos mid cap,LFBL,3-posmid boost,PAB,OD,bright,deep,R/J).

Actually I got really nice OD sound yesterday when going trough the fet-input and putting the R/J switch to jazz It cleared the thicker E,A and D strings very nicely and the sound was overall fatter. I'll record a sample after few days so if You might wan't to check it out.

cheers,

[ayan]

Mat,

I disagree..... The RWB is muddy and not articulate. The last clip Fig did of the 1265 , not part of the first batch, is far and away superior to the RWB to my ears. Articulate and smooth. The RWB is like a band-aid. It is so dull it masks shortcomings of buzzy amps but sounds lifeless on well tuned ones. I have several RWB speakers and the reissue 1265 and in person, nobody who has been here has preferred the RWB. Not close even.... Just sayin'

When listening Fig's clips the Celestion clip is far away of the RWB clip IMO.

I'm still in state of getting familiar with my amp. Tweaking the knobs + switches (3-pos mid cap,LFBL,3-posmid boost,PAB,OD,bright,deep,R/J).

Actually I got really nice OD sound yesterday when going trough the fet-input and putting the R/J switch to jazz It cleared the thicker E,A and D strings very nicely and the sound was overall fatter. I'll record a sample after few days so if You might wan't to check it out.

cheers,

Hey Scott,

Of course, you've heard both speakers in person, which I have never done -- to the best of my knowledge, at least -- so I am not going to question your ultimate impressions considering all the information you're privy to which I am not. I do, however, believe that based upon the clips posted one could arrive at different conclusions, and we might blame PC speakers for that. In my case, using my computer I also much prefer the tone of the RWB speakers as they sound very clear and warm, not muddy in the least, while the Celestions sound plain old buzzy. To put it in RF terms, the RWB sound like later RF while the 65s sound like "TTYD" (the song, not the whole album since it has a few tones in it).

Two questions:

1. If you have a pair of RWB that are of no use to you, are you willing to part with two of them? I'd love to give them a try in my 2x12.

2. Are you coming to NAMM?

Cheers,

Gil

[mat]

dogears,

Do You prefer the tone of the clip no:3 more than the 1 and 2 ? I was in impression that the RWB was Your choise for the D-style amps, but maybe it is old news. Definitely on my amp the RWB was an improvement for the Weber 1265 ceramic model.

I really should try the Celestions.

But this seems a matter of taste. I seem to prefer kind a 'honky' and midrangy sound, but that is just me

cheers,