Fender PA 100 conversion to Trainwreck

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Fender PA 100 conversion to Trainwreck

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First post from a less than novice wanna be amp builder, putting on my flame suit... :oops:

I'm thinking of buying back my old Fender PA 100 from the guy I sold it to a couple of years ago. At first I was thinking of just tinkering with the preamp but now I'm considering gutting it, keeping the transformers and reverb and starting anew.

Considering the specs; Power Transformer putting out 640V CT @ 450ma with a 60V bias, 6.6v @5.5A and a 2k 100 watt output transformer at 4ohms would this be a good candidate for an 80 watt Trainwreck Express build like in this thread:

https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.php?t=7759

Are there any other builds I should consider beyond just doing the Blackface Twin Reverb route? What do you guys think about the Triode USA kit?

http://www.triodeelectronics.com/twtubeampkit.html
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Re: Fender PA 100 conversion to Trainwreck

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Reading through some of the posts here it looks like the transformers won't be able to handle el34s and/or the impedance will be off if I go with just a pair. Is this right? If I stay with 6l6s will that be compatiblel with the Trainwreck Express tone stack?

Did I post this in the right forum?
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Re: Fender PA 100 conversion to Trainwreck

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Don't bother with the PA100, it is too big and bulky and Fender transformers aren't right for an Express. Instead, spend the money on a set of transformers and a fresh trainwreck sized chassis.

I bought a PA135 a while back with high hopes, but I found that the only rel value is the transformers and the old pots. In the end, I didn't want an amp that huge.
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my first question for you before anything on the technical side is this.
Have you ever played thru a even a 50 watt amp flat out and gauged its volume level and do you need a amp that will be pretty much that same (the 100 watter) but with twice the amount of clean head room before the output stage clips?
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Re: Fender PA 100 conversion to Trainwreck

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mhartman wrote:Don't bother with the PA100, it is too big and bulky and Fender transformers aren't right for an Express. Instead, spend the money on a set of transformers and a fresh trainwreck sized chassis.
+1 sage advice

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Much better for a Dumble build, but not a TW. I think Fuchs uses them as a foundation for one of their conversions.
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Re: Fender PA 100 conversion to Trainwreck

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Truth be told my favorite tones I ever got from an amp was a JCM 800 4104 dimed on the low input. Maybe I'll pass on the PA 100 and go back to looking at that JTM 50 kit.
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Re: Fender PA 100 conversion to Trainwreck

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Overtone or SSS?
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Re: Fender PA 100 conversion to Trainwreck

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Bieling3 wrote:Overtone or SSS?
You could do a nice 100w. SSS with it. 6 preamp tubes plus room for one more sets it up nicely. Still, unless it is really cheap, do a fresh build instead of a conversion.
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Re: Fender PA 100 conversion to Trainwreck

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Bieling3

Welcome to the forum.

Trainwrecks, Dumbles and Fenders are completely different beasts.

They are their own amps but Trainwreck come from a Marshall/Vox family tree while Dumbles have their origins in the world of Fender.

This thread would help you get to know the Dumble world:

https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.php?t=11906

There's lots of links to sounds on the Wreck side also.

Personally I think a kit of a straight build would be better for a first time than trying to mod
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