Twin PA Valve Junior with Power Scaling

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Re: Twin PA Valve Junior with Power Scaling

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It's a tube amp builders community. I build tube amps...... Certain details of my design work belong to my clients who contract my design and engineering services. I share what I can.....

I don't post comments usually for legacy designs. I let guys like ZP handle those issues. I do post comments for general engineering and amp theory.

Besides, if it's posted in "Garage Talk" who cares, except when people like you highjacking other peoples threads...... :?

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Re: Twin PA Valve Junior with Power Scaling

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mooreamps wrote: It's a tube amp builders community. I build tube amps...... Certain details of my design work belong to my clients who contract my design and engineering services. I share what I can.....
That's not really the answer to my question. You're just stating facts. There are 100s of amp builders communities out there, so what made you come to this one in particular? You have already told us that you are not generous. It must be a pain not being able to talk about your designs that your clients own. Kind of like working on space crafts and not being able to talk about what you do. Is that space craft you work on of an alien nature or is it one of ours?
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mooreamps wrote: I don't post comments usually for legacy designs. I let guys like ZP handle those issues. I do post comments for general engineering and amp theory.
Interesting. I would consider anything that is designed around a vacuum tube to be a legacy design. :lol: Fortunately, ZP isn't here to handle the stuff that is beneath your pompous status. :roll:

Pompous: Characterized by excessive self-esteem or exaggerated dignity; pretentious.

This may come as a :shock: to you but when you wake up from where ever it is that you are, you will find out that you are playing with 100 year old electronic theory.

mooreamps wrote: Besides, if it's posted in "Garage Talk" who cares, except when people like you highjacking other peoples threads...... :?
Well somone must care because Omar saw the need to create an area to discuss other things than amps and technical stuff. You were the one who blatantly disregarded the intent of the Garage Talk area and posted the exciting news about your latest VJ technical triump. I simply pointed out you might want to post it where it belonged and you came back with your attitude. We then progressed into trying to find out why you are really here (Which you don't really know yourself) and why you have the attitude you do. The latter is more non technical so this thread turned into something that really should be in this area. :lol: I wouldn't call it hijacking, just steering it so it would fit this area. You see I was only trying to help and instead of getting "Oh sorry, Thanks for the tip" I got "Happy Now? :evil: Had I gotten "Oh sorry , thanks for the tip" we would have never progressed to where we are now so you can blame your attitude for this one, not me. It all comes back to your attitude. You put youself in these positions because you have no social skills. (see above for definition)
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Re: Twin PA Valve Junior with Power Scaling

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Gary,
well, you've obviously got under Dana's skin here, which is VERY rare. He's been around for quite a while on this and many other forums, and I haven't seen him this fired up since, well, I don't know.

I'm still trying to see the point of your original post. What was your premise? Did you think that posting a Valve Jr. mod on a forum focused on Dumbles and Trainwrecks was performing some sort of service or providing information? Did someone ask you to post these details? Were you looking to start a discussion about your design?

I listened to all your amp clips/vids with as an impartial ear as possible. All the advanced engineering aside, the simple fact of the matter is that your amps don't sound very good. I don't think I'm alone in that assessment. If they DID sound good, your pontification and "legacy technology is beneath me" attitude might be overlooked - but they don't, and it isn't. Instead, it is just annoying and pointless. Much like your original post.

PS. you might consider buying a tuner and using it before recording clips in the future
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Re: Twin PA Valve Junior with Power Scaling

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benoit wrote:Ok, you guys don't like each other, but really, this is going nowhere. I realize I have the option of ignoring the thread which I probably should just do but this isn't the kind of argument that results in anyone saying "whoops I was wrong lets make up" or "hey this is silly lets just get along" and its not doing anyone any good except polarizing a community around who likes/respects moore and who doesn't. I would sort of like to see this thread locked or deleted or stricken from the record. Reminds me too much of places we're all trying to avoid.
I don't even know these people.... Now it is true they didn't even give me a chance even over on 18watt.com, even though we donate money to Graydon to help pay his server bills. It was a perfectly legitimate question to ask since I have a different opinion how to power scale a pentode vacuum tube. But, did they even so much as ask me what was up. No. I get the polished t**d treatment and they turn right around call me names..... I'd been better off posting something really off topic like how to calibrate the AVHRR on the spacecraft, than something related to a guitar amp.... :?

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Re: Twin PA Valve Junior with Power Scaling

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mooreamps wrote:
benoit wrote:Ok, you guys don't like each other, but really, this is going nowhere. I realize I have the option of ignoring the thread which I probably should just do but this isn't the kind of argument that results in anyone saying "whoops I was wrong lets make up" or "hey this is silly lets just get along" and its not doing anyone any good except polarizing a community around who likes/respects moore and who doesn't. I would sort of like to see this thread locked or deleted or stricken from the record. Reminds me too much of places we're all trying to avoid.
I don't even know these people.... Now it is true they didn't even give me a chance even over on 18watt.com, even though we donate money to Graydon to help pay his server bills. It was a perfectly legitimate question to ask since I have a different opinion how to power scale a pentode vacuum tube. But, did they even so much as ask me what was up. No. I get the polished t**d treatment and they turn right around call me names..... I'd been better off posting something really off topic like how to calibrate the AVHRR on the spacecraft, than something related to a guitar amp.... :?

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Gary

You keep missing the point. It's OK to have a different opinion, It's OK to ask questions. It doesn't even matter if you post off topic stuff. It's the way you express your opinion as being better than anyone elses. No one want's to ask you what is up if your reply to them is going to be arrogant, condescending, egotistical, etc,etc. Why is it that you can't get that through your head? Donating money to a site doesn't give you the privilege to be rude to people. We don't know you either and yet the only thing we have to go on is how you conduct yourself in public. So far you have not recieved a passing grade and I am not the only person to form this opinion of you based on your conduct here and on other forums. That's all we have to go on.

I have been on this forum for a few years now. It is probably the last place that I consider a home. We have a great bunch of people here, we all get along and I for one don't want to see it become a place for a bunch of rude VJ newbies talking about modding a $99 VJ and taking over the place. So ya maybe I am a little overprotective. This forum is very special to a lot of us. I have seen this happen to 18watt and when I see you come in here with your attitude and your modded VJs, I have to wonder what your intentions are. To quote your own words, "It was a perfectly legitimate question to ask" and you don't have an answer. You want to talk about scratch built se stereo amps that's fine, but there is a forum dedicated to VJ mods and IMHO if that is what you want to talk about why aren't you posting it there instead of coming here to a Trainwreck/Dumble forum and trying to impress us with your superior designs. You have failed to impress myself and others here. If you need to be put on a pedestal and have your ego stroked and God like power over your "Guitar following" then I seriously doubt that you will find that here.

One more note: The old "legacy amps" that we talk about here go for $10,000 to $30,000. When your amps start selling for those prices and can hold their own with any of Ken's designs then maybe you will have proved yourself. Until then you are just like me, nothing special.
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I once mentioned it to Kevin that I fully intended to "re-engineer" the vacuum tube guitar amplifier. Perhaps, at the time, it was a little more than what he could digest.
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MooreCowbelle wrote:Gary,
well, you've obviously got under Dana's skin here, which is VERY rare. He's been around for quite a while on this and many other forums, and I haven't seen him this fired up since, well, I don't know.

I'm still trying to see the point of your original post. What was your premise? Did you think that posting a Valve Jr. mod on a forum focused on Dumbles and Trainwrecks was performing some sort of service or providing information? Did someone ask you to post these details? Were you looking to start a discussion about your design?

I listened to all your amp clips/vids with as an impartial ear as possible. All the advanced engineering aside, the simple fact of the matter is that your amps don't sound very good. I don't think I'm alone in that assessment. If they DID sound good, your pontification and "legacy technology is beneath me" attitude might be overlooked - but they don't, and it isn't. Instead, it is just annoying and pointless. Much like your original post.

PS. you might consider buying a tuner and using it before recording clips in the future
+ 1 gazillion!

I understand having a bad night but geez...the guy's out of tune, his timing is off, and he does the kirk hammett vibrato where it's constantly "sharp". Not exactly a ringing endoresement. Anyway, the bottom line is this, and Dana has mentioned it ad nauseum, stop acting like your God's gift to amp building...a little humbleness will go a long way...no one wants to hear someone acting lofty about his ingenious re-design of vacuum tubes circuits which is a bit of a joke in itself since you can trace everything back to the early 20th century, anyway. What makes it even funnier is that with the attutude, the only "proof in the pudding" are modded VJs and derivations and really crappy clips and vids. But hey, keep preening...everybody needs a good laugh.
I'd like to see a head cutting amp build/design contest between Gary and Dana. :twisted:

P.S. You DO realize this used to be called the trainwreck forum, right? The reason the name was changed was because of the Dumble stuff but it's still primarily about those two amps.
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Re: Twin PA Valve Junior with Power Scaling

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If he said, look it's not appropriete to post anything VJ related on this forum, I would be fine with that. If someone said, well the Dumbles and the TW's don't do power scaling, I would be fine with that too. Then I would say, what about regulating the filament power supply to midigate the line sag in stage voltage. Maybe that would have been more appropreate for this type of forum..... But no, they jack me off like a 12 year old... and for the record, I don't take kindly being called a turd....

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mooreamps wrote:If he said, look it's not appropriete to post anything VJ related on this forum, I would be fine with that. If someone said, well the Dumbles and the TW's don't do power scaling, I would be fine with that too. Then I would say, what about regulating the filament power supply to midigate the line sag in stage voltage. Maybe that would have been more appropreate for this type of forum..... But no, they jack me off like a 12 year old... and for the record, I don't take kindly being called a turd....

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If you need to mitigate for the "line sag", why not just use a filament transformer?

I don't recall anyone calling you a turd, just folks suggesting that you are polishing one...and you are... :roll:

I'll leave the "they jack me off like a 12 year old" alone - that one writes itself.
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mooreamps wrote:If he said, look it's not appropriete to post anything VJ related on this forum, I would be fine with that. If someone said, well the Dumbles and the TW's don't do power scaling, I would be fine with that too. Then I would say, what about regulating the filament power supply to midigate the line sag in stage voltage. Maybe that would have been more appropreate for this type of forum..... But no, they jack me off like a 12 year old... and for the record, I don't take kindly being called a turd....

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No one called you a turd! Both Greg and myself refered to the VJ amp as a turd and the fact that after applying all the mods in the world ("Polishing") you are still going to have a "polished turd". Is the english language your first language? :roll:

A lot of guys have scaled TWs but not with your circuit. Why don't you scale one using your circuit and show us what it sounds like. Oh, I forgot for a minute....you don't do legacy amps. The statement regarding the twelve year old, Im just kind of speachless.....What exactly are you implying? It would appear to me that we have given you honest opinions regarding your attitude and your amps. Those can be very hard to come by.
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mooreamps wrote:If he said, look it's not appropriete to post anything VJ related on this forum, I would be fine with that. If someone said, well the Dumbles and the TW's don't do power scaling, I would be fine with that too. Then I would say, what about regulating the filament power supply to midigate the line sag in stage voltage. Maybe that would have been more appropreate for this type of forum..... But no, they jack me off like a 12 year old... and for the record, I don't take kindly being called a turd....

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You know Gary, earlier in this thread I said you lacked humility, social skills and that you miss the nature of this forum. Now you're arguing whether or not what you posted is appropriate. My guess is that if you could grasp the first two items on my list, we'd give you a pass on the third.

I did not call you a turd BTW. I called you a turd polisher-which you are!

The bottom line is you come and and tell us how great you are, that we are jealous of you, that you work on space craft (How does the bridge of the Enterprise look in your basement BTW?) and that you are going to re-design the vacuum tube audio amplifier. A device that was at it's pinnacle in the 60's. Unless you're blowing glass and pulling vacuum in your basement, I doubt your improving anything BUT we'll never know because you won't let us see it. I'll clue you in here. If it doesn't sound good all the LED's and charge pumps in the world aren't going to help you.

If you are sooooo smart. why can't you figure out why we don't like you? any Rocket scientist could figure it out! Beam me up Scotty!
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Maybe you could come up with a mod, that has a button you push and make the amp disappear.
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v.j. = the simplest of all "legacy" amps, btw. rh
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