NGD!

[cbass]

I actually came away with 300bucks in my pocket and a fantastic shooting pistol . not that the Browning wasn't fantastic but this gun is every bit as good and its not so expensive that I'm afraid to Carry it or leave it in my truck.
I think I would have rather had the saftey model than the deocker I can decock it myself just fine. But when I carry it will be halfcocked anyway and if I need to I can pull the hammer back almost as easily as flipping a safty

[cbass]

Strength brother!

The only solution is an immediate .45 purchase to purge the weakness.

I know I know I need a .45 I really don't like 1911s all that much but that cz97 I posted makes me drool

[TUBEDUDE]

The Springfield XD series pistols are nice also. With grip and trigger safeties I don't worry about carrying with one in the bore.

[cbass]

I'll check those xds out there is such a huge gun to people ratio here you can find some really good deals .the internet is screwing that up though. There's still a few old timers around that don't sell on the net. My ffl does 5 dollar transfers and he will wheel and deal on what hesgot

[vibratoking]

The Springfield XD series pistols are nice also. With grip and trigger safeties I don't worry about carrying with one in the bore.

There are two schools of thought about 'extra' safeties and carrying in the bore. I carry a Kahr CW9. Highly recommended. The CM9 is a bit smaller. I don't like the XD because of the safety. I prefer no 'extra' safety and always one in the bore. I use a well fitted holster. I don't want to be playing around with a safety and/or racking to get one in the bore. You might end up dead trying to get that done in a 'real' situation.

[TUBEDUDE]

TUBEDUDE wrote:
The Springfield XD series pistols are nice also. With grip and trigger safeties I don't worry about carrying with one in the bore.

Vibratoking wrote:
There are two schools of thought about 'extra' safeties and carrying in the bore. I carry a Kahr CW9. Highly recommended. The CM9 is a bit smaller. I don't like the XD because of the safety. I prefer no 'extra' safety and always one in the bore. I use a well fitted holster. I don't want to be playing around with a safety and/or racking to get one in the bore. You might end up dead trying to get that done in a 'real' situation.

These two should not be thought of as seperate safeties that require thought to defeat. They are not like safety levers, and there is no playing. You just grab the pistol and pull the trigger. Bang!

[vibratoking]

TUBEDUDE wrote:
The Springfield XD series pistols are nice also. With grip and trigger safeties I don't worry about carrying with one in the bore.

Vibratoking wrote:
There are two schools of thought about 'extra' safeties and carrying in the bore. I carry a Kahr CW9. Highly recommended. The CM9 is a bit smaller. I don't like the XD because of the safety. I prefer no 'extra' safety and always one in the bore. I use a well fitted holster. I don't want to be playing around with a safety and/or racking to get one in the bore. You might end up dead trying to get that done in a 'real' situation.

These two should not be thought of as seperate safeties that require thought to defeat. They are not like safety levers, and there is no playing. You just grab the pistol and pull the trigger. Bang!

It goes bang as long as the grip safety is depressed. The XD is a fine gun for those that like a grip safety. Many guns don't have a grip safety for a reason. It really comes down to preference.

[TUBEDUDE]

I can't see how one could grip the pistol to fire it without engaging the grip safety. I certainly wouldn't try to fire a .45 with some bizarre grip to avoid the grip safety. Like a good safety, it's effective and unnoticeable in use. Its much smaller than a 1911 grip safety. I guess it has to be tried in hand to understand.

[LeeMo]

I've used a Colt Series 80 for decades. I have pretty strong confidence in their thumb , grip, trigger safety combination. I converted to ambidextrous thumb safety and mag release because you never know when you might need it. At one time I carried every day in a small of back pouch. Cocked and locked on a chambered round. If you practice your draw with your mind on muzzle direction the worst that can happen in a misfire situation is a hole in your gluteus.
I moved away from that situation where I thought that I had to carry everyday and I've lost the edge but I feel safer.
If you ever wonder which caliber is right for defense all you need to do is witness a bowling pin match. You'll quickly decide that 45 is the way to go.

LeeMo

[cbass]

Sure .45 is a great round but I think it's ridiculous that everyone acts like other rounds are ineffective . if someone shoves a .22 in my face I'm not saying shit.
I can practice a lot more with 9mm I say it's more important to be a better shot than to have bigger round .
Of course I guess I carry for different reasons than you guys.crime is very low here . low enough that I don't ever worry about leaving the keys in my truck or locking my tools up.
I'm loving the cz now I want a compact model for carry at 25yrds I can hit a beer can pretty much everytime so can everyone else that shots it.

[vibratoking]

Sure .45 is a great round but I think it's ridiculous that everyone acts like other rounds are ineffective . if someone shoves a .22 in my face I'm not saying shit.
I can practice a lot more with 9mm I say it's more important to be a better shot than to have bigger round .
Of course I guess I carry for different reasons than you guys.crime is very low here . low enough that I don't ever worry about leaving the keys in my truck or locking my tools up.
I'm loving the cz now I want a compact model for carry at 25yrds I can hit a beer can pretty much everytime so can everyone else that shots it.

I IWB carry the Kahr in 9mm. 9mm is plenty IMO. There are a lot of reasons why the 9mm is superior to the .45. Lighter, smaller cartridge allows easier carry and more mag capacity. Less recoil, faster, more accurate successive shots. Lower cost as you said. No difference in the actual wound created in the human body.

[Reeltarded]

Kimber Raptor Ultra II in .45 and a Sig 238 .380 because real Americans don't shoot metric... pistols.. although it's fine to shoot AKs.

[cbass]

I like the metric system my pecker sounds huge if I measure it in Milimeters

[ToneMerc]

Sure .45 is a great round but I think it's ridiculous that everyone acts like other rounds are ineffective . if someone shoves a .22 in my face I'm not saying shit.
I can practice a lot more with 9mm I say it's more important to be a better shot than to have bigger round .
Of course I guess I carry for different reasons than you guys.crime is very low here . low enough that I don't ever worry about leaving the keys in my truck or locking my tools up.
I'm loving the cz now I want a compact model for carry at 25yrds I can hit a beer can pretty much everytime so can everyone else that shots it.

I IWB carry the Kahr in 9mm. 9mm is plenty IMO. There are a lot of reasons why the 9mm is superior to the .45. Lighter, smaller cartridge allows easier carry and more mag capacity. Less recoil, faster, more accurate successive shots. Lower cost as you said. No difference in the actual wound created in the human body.

I think the 9mm is more than fine with the appropriate bullet; perhaps we should dig up all the folks felled by the 9mm Luger cartridge and tell them that they are not dead enough.

I'm a great fan of the 45ACP cartridge in the right configuration. Many folks don't realize that first; ball(FMJ) ammo is the worst defensive ammo you can carry in the 45ACP because it doesn't really expand and secondly when you load the 45ACP in many of the tiny mouse CC guns penetration can be poor.

A good HP .452 bullet with ample velocity will expand about to about .700-.740 in gelatin and soft tissue, a good .355 HP bullet will expand to around .500.

I will disagree that the wound created by both is the same, referencing affects from both temporary and permanent wound cavities observed from GSW autopsies. Spend anytime around GSW's and the first thing you will realize is that TV is full of shit.

It's a much different story when targets shoot back; I rank the "cartridge" down at the bottom of the list, keeping your wits and utilizing cover so that you can get off a first round hit increases your odds of winning a pistol fight. I always say a .22 through the eye socket beats a .45 through the foot any day.

Fast is fine, accuracy is better; you better learn to be slow in a hurry.....Wyatt Earp

TM

[Reeltarded]

I slowed down my shooting a little so I can shout interesting facts. I'll be talking to a dead man anyhow.

Yay. Death to punk fucking thugs everywhere! I hope that shit hurts forever! Fuck you!