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Re: My latest build

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cbass wrote:
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cbass wrote:Now I'm looking at ar10s cause 5.56 is a puss round :x
It's getting bad
I guess you are right, the folks felled by the 5.56 aren't dead enough.

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Well I'm not planning on shooting any folks but a .308 is a much better round for deer. Especially around here its foresty
Put together an 18-20 inch AR upper in 6.8(.277)SPC or 65 (.264) Grendel with a bipod. Use a 5 round mag and you are hunting legal in most states. The 264 has a wider range of bullets verses .277, but under 200yds I don't see much of a tangible difference in the common loads. You can certainly take deer with a 115 grain .277 bullet. I have shot the 130 grain bullets out of my 6.8SPC bolt gun.

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cbass wrote:Tone, feel like like imreally starting to pester you now but a couple things I noticed . I have pretty big hands the magpaul grips feel pretty small . even with the adjustable stock all the way out it feels a little short . with my wingspan being almost 7feet may just be something I have to deal with.
Is there fatter grips or maybe an ext for the stock pad?
Either may not be an issue guess I won't know till I fire it.
Great observations; I'm 6'3" and have larger hands so I require a tad greater length of pull and on shorter carbine barrels I always run at least a mid length or even sometimes a rifle length forearm to get the "feel" right. Also the only Mappul grip I use is the adjustable model and I install the largest back strap included in the kit. Otherwise my favorite grip for larger hands is the one from Tango Down.

Collapsible stocks as you see can have disadvantages, you trade the compact nature for a decrease in LOP. Magpul makes a .70 thicker pad that would slightly aid your length of pull as I believe the stock pad is just over .250 thick or so. Honestly, if you are going to standing shouldering the rifle a lot, I would ditch that model of stock for something with a more favorable LOP. My favorite all around Magpul stock is the UBR model. However, the standard A2 rifle stock while might not be as cool looking certainly works.

You know you need 3 models right; a rifle, carbine and pistol setup...LOL

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ToneMerc wrote:
cbass wrote:
ToneMerc wrote: I guess you are right, the folks felled by the 5.56 aren't dead enough.

TM
Well I'm not planning on shooting any folks but a .308 is a much better round for deer. Especially around here its foresty
Put together an 18-20 inch AR upper in 6.8(.277)SPC or 65 (.264) Grendel with a bipod. Use a 5 round mag and you are hunting legal in most states. The 264 has a wider range of bullets verses .277, but under 200yds I don't see much of a tangible difference in the common loads. You can certainly take deer with a 115 grain .277 bullet. I have shot the 130 grain bullets out of my 6.8SPC bolt gun.

TM
I'm not familiar with those rounds. I have a lot research h to do. I'm not exactly sure but I know there used to be a 10 round limit for hunting here but I think it's been lifted as there's benn an explosion of white tail population .
I didn't mean to imply a 5.56 round couldn't take down a deer . it's very brushy and woody here bigger projectiles don't get knocked off tRget as easily by leaves and such. At least that's what everyone says.
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ToneMerc wrote:
cbass wrote:Tone, feel like like imreally starting to pester you now but a couple things I noticed . I have pretty big hands the magpaul grips feel pretty small . even with the adjustable stock all the way out it feels a little short . with my wingspan being almost 7feet may just be something I have to deal with.
Is there fatter grips or maybe an ext for the stock pad?
Either may not be an issue guess I won't know till I fire it.
Great observations; I'm 6'3" and have larger hands so I require a tad greater length of pull and on shorter carbine barrels I always run at least a mid length or even sometimes a rifle length forearm to get the "feel" right. Also the only Mappul grip I use is the adjustable model and I install the largest back strap included in the kit. Otherwise my favorite grip for larger hands is the one from Tango Down.

Collapsible stocks as you see can have disadvantages, you trade the compact nature for a decrease in LOP. Magpul makes a .70 thicker pad that would slightly aid your length of pull as I believe the stock pad is just over .250 thick or so. Honestly, if you are going to standing shouldering the rifle a lot, I would ditch that model of stock for something with a more favorable LOP. My favorite all around Magpul stock is the UBR model. However, the standard A2 rifle stock while might not be as cool looking certainly works.

You know you need 3 models right; a rifle, carbine and pistol setup...LOL

TM
I think I'll definitely need bigger grips .the stock ones are tiny. I wasn't expecting that.
I plan on ostly shooting stading within 200 yards with no magnification . I'll have to see about the stock once I shoot it. I can see about 1000yds out my back door aiming it 300ydsor so feels good. I do have to dip my elbow down but I can rest it on my gut seems to help with stability . being fats a good thing :D
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cbass wrote: I'm not familiar with those rounds. I have a lot research h to do. I'm not exactly sure but I know there used to be a 10 round limit for hunting here but I think it's been lifted as there's benn an explosion of white tail population .
I didn't mean to imply a 5.56 round couldn't take down a deer . it's very brushy and woody here bigger projectiles don't get knocked off tRget as easily by leaves and such. At least that's what everyone says.
Yeah, it can humanely take deer under the right conditions and regardless of what you use, shot placement is the key. I don't agree with the practice, but I know someone who has taken deer from a tree stand with a scoped 10 inch TC Contender pistol in 223 Remington shooting a 63 grain soft point bullet.

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Thanks for taking the time to help me out
The issue with the stock turned out to be my form. The grip has to go I'm gonna wrap it with tape for now . I'm finding the best way for me to sight this gun and be comfortable is to hold it slightly canted . not sure if that will work in real life or if it's just a stupid thing to do being that I have to shoot lefty a guess a lot is going to depend on where the hot brass goes
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cbass wrote:Thanks for taking the time to help me out
The issue with the stock turned out to be my form. The grip has to go I'm gonna wrap it with tape for now . I'm finding the best way for me to sight this gun and be comfortable is to hold it slightly canted . not sure if that will work in real life or if it's just a stupid thing to do being that I have to shoot lefty a guess a lot is going to depend on where the hot brass goes

Glad I can help, yes you need a longer and wider grip. I'm right handed, shoot ambidextrous, but left is my strong side and I have gotten hot rifle brass down my collar before.It's no big deal unless you are only wearing a t-shirt.

Here's the grips that I mentioned earlier, I really like the bg-17.

https://tangodown.com/shop/tangodown-battlegrip-bg-17/

https://www.magpul.com/products/miad-ge ... kit-type-1

Using offset sights

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cg94TKKv8no


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Thanks Tonemerc,

You seem to know a lot about them.
They are a fun gun to shoot.

I'm pretty sure I noticed a difference with the new bolt and Ti firing pin.
I know the pin floats but since it is so light in mass it moves faster than a steel pin.

And if I remember the steel pins will pit the pin tip after a lot of use and especially if it gets real hot.

I haven't messed around with it for awhile since we have to travel so far to shoot anymore.

Mine is a Ban gun so no threads on the barrel but maybe since it is a heavy barrel a flash hider wouldn't fit anyway, I dunno.

I like the feature of the removable handle so I can fit my 24x scope.

But the flip up peep sight is very accurate as well.

I never understood the butt stock on these rifles.
No drop to it so you end up with the butt pretty high up on the shoulder if at all.
So it's nice there is not much recoil at all.

I've thought about putting a collapsible stock in it but probably won't.

And yes there are so many parts available today you can build your own custom AR.
A friend of mine built one in earth brown, I think it's called.

Fun stuff.
Tom

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These guns are OK to dry fire ?
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Structo wrote:Thanks Tonemerc,

I know the pin floats but since it is so light in mass it moves faster than a steel pin.

And if I remember the steel pins will pit the pin tip after a lot of use and especially if it gets real hot.
Since the pin floats, the lock time ( measured in milliseconds) is never consistent in an AR. In theory, if ten shoots are fired, the pin could start forward from a different point at each shot. The only thing that would be consistent would be the maximum firing pin protrusion.

Yeah but in an AR "light in mass" creates two negative issues; first because the pin is lighter it doesn't strike the primer with the same force. The bolt gun setups include an extra power firing pin spring which essentially slams the pin forward harder to compensate for the lighter mass of the pin. An AR doesn't have an firing pin spring to do the same. Any true 5.56 or 7.62 NATO ammo will have harder primer cups. Thus, the low mass firing pin with hard primer cups is not an ideal situation for reliability.

Secondly, low mass means less likely stay in place. So if the very lightweight floating pin starts to move forward slightly before the bolt is fully locked up in the barrel extension and the round goes off, it leaves the alum receiver and ejection port door to take 60kpsi instead of the barrel extension and the barrel chamber.

As far as the stainless steel AR pin pitting from gas cutting or getting hot, a result from automatic fire over a period of thousands of rounds, this just doesn't apply to casual plinking or target shooting. In reality, the item most prone to heat damage is the gas tube.

The point I'm to make is that with an AR you can piss away good money and gain no tangible advantage and in some cases even makes things worse.


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cbass wrote:These guns are OK to dry fire ?
Yes, no worries.

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Thanks for the info.
Yeah, the lock time was what I read about that the Ti pins helped.
I guess I believed some of the hype at gun shows.

But the main thing about my gun is, it's super accurate, fun to shoot and it looks bad ass. :D
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ToneMerc wrote:
cbass wrote:These guns are OK to dry fire ?
Yes, no worries.

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When my son was 14 he wanted to buy a rifle to hunt deer with. So we went to a gun show and settled on a Mossberg .270 bolt action. I thought a smaller gun would be a waste and a bigger gun would be too much for him. When we went to sight it in I was shocked at the sheer power that gun has.

I've shot several calibers and types of rifles, shotguns and handguns and that by far seems the most powerful of all but a 7.62 a friend has.

I have nothing against the AR types at all and would love to have one, but my philosophy is "one shot, one kill".
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