there goes the neighbourhood...

[casajr]

China can be both an extremely interesting and an incredibly frustrating place to be. However, the people are very hard working and very inventive. If there is a market, they will try to find a way to service it.

I've seen other tube amps here that sounded pretty good. One was an SLO clone that screamed.

There is decent Hifi stuff coming from China. Check out the reviews for Jolita amplifiers. Bastards won't tell me where they get their transformers though. I have a bunch of Dynaco OPT's that I would love to turn into a bass amp or Hifi amp, but getting a PT is proving to be a formidable task. And no, they are not for sale .

Jeff out

edit: Sorry, not Jolita...it's Opera.

[Tubetwang]

China can be both an extremely interesting and an incredibly frustrating place to be. However, the people are very hard working and very inventive. If there is a market, they will try to find a way to service it.

I've seen other tube amps here that sounded pretty good. One was an SLO clone that screamed.

There is decent Hifi stuff coming from China. Check out the reviews for Jolita amplifiers. Bastards won't tell me where they get their transformers though. I have a bunch of Dynaco OPT's that I would love to turn into a bass amp or Hifi amp, but getting a PT is proving to be a formidable task. And no, they are not for sale .

Jeff out

edit: Sorry, not Jolita...it's Opera.

I've spent some time in Anhui province and Beijing 12 years ago.

Was over there for adoption caper...

I'm glad for my beautiful daughter but...

Way too much corruption for my taste...

If i was Chinese...i'd be in the slammer by now...

I'm aware of hi-end Chinese Tube Hi-Fi amps and CD players... having been involved in Hi-Fi tuning (Re-clocking CD players, building/tweaking tube amps and pre-amps, building speakers and subs) most of my adult life.

Hey...my he-man-tube-hi-fi-amp is a tweaked-to-tha-bone-good-ol'ST-70 Dyna...

This is one of the reason why i don't understand why China has not cornered the Boutique Guitar and Boutique amps yet...

It has to be cultural...they've misted out on all the fun we, westerners had with rock and roll and the funk bros.

It's all Mao's fault!!

[CaseyJones]

Isn't there a rule prohibitig political discussion?

Probably. But who cares? I'm an anarchist, that means I simply don't believe in rules. Until I become Dicktator that is... then what I say goes!

Maybe a Biyang/Dumble???8)

You want to lower gas price?
Elect McCain.
Bomb Iran.

That will create stability.

I got a better idea... I'm not gonna vote, not here anyway. I'll vote with my ass, I'll move my ass to Canada. I gotta figure out what to do wif me guns, feel naked without me guns...

I'm gonna get me a VW bus and start a rape seed plantation. Before y'all git indignant about the non-PC connotations of rape seed, rapin' seed, seed rapists, rapists of any stripe... Google it. Rape seed. Canola oil. Which BTW is a Canadian invention.

I'm gonna get off my China kick and place the blame squarely where it belongs... Canada. Pesky Canadians, buyin' up all our trees and what do we have to show for it? Case after case of Molson's or Labatt's beer, that's what.

[Tubetwang]

Isn't there a rule prohibitig political discussion?

Probably. But who cares? I'm an anarchist, that means I simply don't believe in rules. Until I become Dicktator that is... then what I say goes!

Maybe a Biyang/Dumble???8)

You want to lower gas price?
Elect McCain.
Bomb Iran.

That will create stability.

I got a better idea... I'm not gonna vote, not here anyway. I'll vote with my ass, I'll move my ass to Canada. I gotta figure out what to do wif me guns, feel naked without me guns...

I'm gonna get me a VW bus and start a rape seed plantation. Before y'all git indignant about the non-PC connotations of rape seed, rapin' seed, seed rapists, rapists of any stripe... Google it. Rape seed. Canola oil. Which BTW is a Canadian invention.

I'm gonna get off my China kick and place the blame squarely where it belongs... Canada. Pesky Canadians, buyin' up all our trees and what do we have to show for it? Case after case of Molson's or Labatt's beer, that's what.

Rape seed is ok... i guess...

But the real money in Canada is in Canabis seeds...
Namely BC and Quebec Gold...
Growers around here are filthy rich...they are buying all the corn fields.
They are easy to spot...Big boats and big guitars...
They...huh...they don't say no.

Casey my man...have'nt you heard of Sex,Drugs and Rock and Roll, son?

[Tubetwang]

Isn't there a rule prohibitig political discussion?

Probably. But who cares? I'm an anarchist, that means I simply don't believe in rules. Until I become Dicktator that is... then what I say goes!

Maybe a Biyang/Dumble???8)

You want to lower gas price?
Elect McCain.
Bomb Iran.

That will create stability.

I got a better idea... I'm not gonna vote, not here anyway. I'll vote with my ass, I'll move my ass to Canada. I gotta figure out what to do wif me guns, feel naked without me guns...

I'm gonna get me a VW bus and start a rape seed plantation. Before y'all git indignant about the non-PC connotations of rape seed, rapin' seed, seed rapists, rapists of any stripe... Google it. Rape seed. Canola oil. Which BTW is a Canadian invention.

I'm gonna get off my China kick and place the blame squarely where it belongs... Canada. Pesky Canadians, buyin' up all our trees and what do we have to show for it? Case after case of Molson's or Labatt's beer, that's what.

Rape seed is ok... i guess...

But the real money in Canada is in Canabis seeds...
Namely BC and Quebec Gold...
Growers around here are filthy rich...they are buying all the corn fields.
They are easy to spot...Big boats and big guitars...
They...huh...they don't say no.

Casey my man...have'nt you heard of Sex,Drugs and Rock and Roll, son?

[CaseyJones]

Casey my man...have'nt you heard of Sex,Drugs and Rock and Roll, son?

They're all three... obsolete.

There was a time when sex was safe and motorcycles were dangerous.

No joke here... I have straightedge leanings. Maybe a sip o' bourbon now and again but they don't call it dope fer nuthin'. Dope makes ya stupid. Stupid people do dope and it makes 'em more stupid. The average American has a 15 second attention span, that's just enough time for a sound bite on the evening news. It takes 'em another 15 seconds to forget all about it. It might be a nice place to visit but I wouldn't wanna live there. Too many people do IMHO.

Rock 'n' Roll... a quaint musical style fer gits and geezers the likes of us. When ya stop seein' sweet young fings in yer front row, they're replaced by old broads albeit well preserved old broads... and they don't toss their undies at ya anymore... well, yer gettin' old!

[Markusv]

There was a time when people referred to "Japanese Crap". They continued on and tried so hard to get the thing right, (Think Yamaha/ Toyota/hell, even Stratocasters) that those items are now deemed indestructible and some highly collectible.

The Chinese folks can teach all of us a lesson in perseverence and a non- complaining attitude with a hell of a work ethic. One day they will get it right and they will kick the ass of most western competitors, even quality- wise.

That said, I'm not a fan of the human rights issues, and I'm certainly not suggesting that working for a sub- standard wage is ideal. But I think I take my hat of to them

[CaseyJones]

There was a time when people referred to "Japanese Crap". They continued on and tried so hard to get the thing right, (Think Yamaha/ Toyota/hell, even Stratocasters) that those items are now deemed indestructible and some highly collectible.

The Chinese folks can teach all of us a lesson in perseverence and a non- complaining attitude with a hell of a work ethic. One day they will get it right and they will kick the ass of most western competitors, even quality- wise.

That said, I'm not a fan of the human rights issues, and I'm certainly not suggesting that working for a sub- standard wage is ideal. But I think I take my hat of to them

The term is "Jap Scrap".

Here's the way it went: "We", the U.S. of A. with our allies wiped German and Japanese industry off the map 60 some-odd years ago. Japan was pretty much a U.S. solo act, a couple nukes on bamboo houses and it was over. It's interesting to study industrial history, you don't exactly have a control group but one can compare East German under the Sovs to West Germany under Nato. The look at Great Britain, industry there was also devastated after the War but it was mostly up to the jolly old Brits to rebuild. At least they brought us Mullard, Genelex and Marshall.

Starting with a clean sheet of paper Japan and Germany have done quite well. My question would be, "In the long run, who won?"

As a student of The Cold War I've come to understand that conventional warfare is obsolete. No joke. There's nothing nice and there's nothing polite about a leveraged buyout, it's a Capitalist tool to put it nicely. The big joke here is that the nice Communists can and likely will use something like a leveraged buyout... as a weapon. The funny part is if you have a sick sense of humor (I do) is that you have "communists" using "capitalism" as a weapon. It's humorous in a very distrurbing way. What do you do when some sumbitch gets the drop on you, you're at gunpoint and yours is still in the holster? You laugh, might as well. There's nothing else you can do. Not me, anyway.

We can all politely observe the rules of polite conduct as they're put forth. We can be alarmed by the alarmist soundbites but 15 seconds later they're forgotton. So I'm an alarmist crackpot, point taken.

What if I'm not?