Princeton Reverb B1270 - buzzing/crapping out

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wrongtube
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Re: Princeton Reverb B1270 - buzzing/crapping out

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Well, it turns out that putting the circuit back together was the answer! I hooked up the reverb and tremolo portions, and the weird volume-drop issue is gone. The overdrive is also much smoother. Starts to growl at around 4 on the dial. Overall the amp sounds great!

Something I noticed while putting the reverb pot back into the circuit is that previously it was wired incorrectly -- the wiper lead was hooked up to the 3nF cap rather than the 470K resistor (and vice versa). Which might explain why I was getting some weird oscillations with the reverb pot in my earlier experiments.
lonote wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 11:48 pm After looking more, I would be inclined to do as @angelodp mentioned earlier & strip/rebuild the board.

Not sure if you are aware of the YT videos by Psionic & Brad's Guitar Garage (previously mentioned)..? They have any number of relevant videos, & this one especially fits the bill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYs0beb3l1w
Thanks for sharing the link! I didn't know that Brad's Guitar Garage was a youtube page -- I misread angelodp's post and thought he was recommending I send the amp to Brad to rebuild. But very cool that he's doing instructional videos, I'll check it out. I've already watched basically everything Uncle Doug has done, so I need some new bedtime TV.

For the time being though, I'm happy with how the amp is sounding. Next steps will be to get the reverb RCA jacks sorted, hook up the original speaker, and read up on the bias vary tremolo circuit. Thanks again everyone for your help!

Posting the current voltages for posterity, and in case anyone is interested. Still higher than stated on the schematic, but within the +/-20% range.

B+ 442

V1
1 ) 176
2 ) 0
3 ) 1.62
6 ) 172
7 ) 0
8 ) 1.56

V2
1 & 6 ) 423
2 & 7 ) 0.02
3 & 8 ) 8.44

V3
1 ) 184
2 ) 0
3 ) 1.39
6 ) 183
7 ) 0.04
8 ) 1.52

V4
1 ) 258
2 ) -0.8
3 ) 2.56
6 ) 220
7 ) 24
8 ) 69

V5
3 ) 439
4 ) 431
5 ) -39
6 ) 0

V6
3 ) 439
4 ) 431
5 ) -39
6 ) 0
lonote
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Re: Princeton Reverb B1270 - buzzing/crapping out

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That's great that it is all working again. It should be a very nice amp when you are finished.


Yours looks like it may have avoided the super heavy application of wax that started right around the time that amp was built, theoretically to keep out moisture I guess, but the wax-coated ones are far worse at this point in time than the earlier un-coated ones. You may be able to to a pretty nice cleaning in-situ with some isopropyl & lots of elbow grease.

I am doing the Pro Reverbs one at a time & they are getting all new boards NOT made from the pressed fiberboard. They both had boards literally caked with wax & even after cleaning, there was stray voltage all over the place from the conductive board(s).

As far as moving on from Uncle Doug, Psionic & Brad's are my go-to channels. I have learned a huge amount from the Psionic videos & there are quite a lot of them.

https://www.youtube.com/@PsionicAudio/videos

Other first-stop, go-to references for me are Merlin's site; https://www.valvewizard.co.uk/

And Steve Luckey's site; https://sluckeyamps.com/index.htm

The stuff on Sluckey's site is a real lesson in practical execution for me, for both design & build.
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Re: Princeton Reverb B1270 - buzzing/crapping out

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Thanks for the recommendations. I've read Merlin's book on preamp design — there's a lot of heady information there and I haven't quite absorbed it all yet. But I am getting a handle on common-cathode gain stages, load lines, and biasing. Reading about sluckey's builds now!
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Re: Princeton Reverb B1270 - buzzing/crapping out

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Yes do it all yourself. It's not a complicated amp. The closer you get to stock, the less problems, and authentic Fender tone is revealed. Have you checked for DC leak on the board? This can be an issue with
various areas. I have pulled the bottom boards to discover blobs of solder, gunky wax and more. It easy to pull that board. These amps have too much wire is some spots. Compare the lead dress of earlier Fenders and see how minimal and tidy they were. Sounds like you are real close to a happy amp.
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