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standby switch position

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Greetings
I was wondering want is the best position for the standby switch.
1. after rectifier- before the first filter cap for the plate/ OT.
2. between OT/plate and g2.
3. PT center tap with a full-wave forward rectifier.
"3" seems like it may have less stress on the switch but not sure.
I've noticed several schematics with the lifted CT "Ampeg" etc.
Any input appreciated.
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johnny riff wrote: Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:45 pm ...I was wondering want is the best position for the standby switch...
Short and sweet answer is ‘in the trash’ :D
What are you hoping to accomplish?
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Just here to +1 pdf's response, I also remove the standby on most of my amps.

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+1,000,000
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Hi and thanks for your feedback.
"What are you hoping to accomplish?"
well, i have the hole drilled and switch. carling off-stby-on.
wanted to lift the CT, would this work? or something like the link valve wizard shows.
series resistor on the switch.
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Lifting the HT winding CT works but may be a bad idea if there was a bias tap from it.
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I should have mentioned its a cathode bias output.
My PT is 700 ct so a tube rectifier is in order, would that be problematic?
the thing is it's the only switch I have.
plus when you elevate the filaments 6.3 is that a fix bias thing or can it be done with cath. bias output above the cath. voltage?
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johnny riff wrote: Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:57 pm...the thing is it's the only switch I have...
Have you considered buying another, or just wiring it so that the centre position is that same as the 'on' position?
johnny riff wrote: Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:57 pm...a tube rectifier is in order, would that be problematic?...
See valvewizard's 'least bad' arrangement, towards the end of the linked page of previous post.
johnny riff wrote: Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:57 pm...plus when you elevate the filaments 6.3 is that a fix bias thing or can it be done with cath. bias output above the cath. voltage?
(Shared) cathode bias makes implementing a +Vdc offset for the heater circuit easy peasy, eg https://el34world.com/charts/Schematics ... entury.pdf
Hint - heaters are referenced to the power tube cathode :wink:
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Thanks for your input PDF.
From the Valve Wizard site its not recommended to "hot switch" the tube rectifier
(still working out values for current limiting resistors). I have the center position of my switch -ac for heaters and lifted ct. top position engages ct. I assume this is not "hot switching" but will not come on instantly- I suspect due to warm-up time for tube rectifier(gz34).
I realized after asking that you just connect fil.ct to power tube cathode+ before R and C.
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Hot switching means switching a uncharged reservoir cap on to a hot rectifier. The method you propose would be hot switching.
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gotcha- the 5v would be on before the HT-winding.
I left some extra length on my tranny wires,, a good thing.
I'll move it between plate cap and screen.

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Why not follow valvewizard’s recommendation, switch between reservoir cap and the rest of the amp, trickle bypass resistor across switch?
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"Follow valvewizard’s recommendation".
That's the plan. just need to modify my board with an extra eyelet. piece of cake!
thanks again pdf
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