Question About The 6J5 In The 5C8 Twin

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Re: Question About The 6J5 In The 5C8 Twin

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martin manning wrote:I can see how rewiring that would be a bit of a pain. Nice looking point-to-point, BTW. Now, if you had an adapter socket thingy, all you'd have to do is change the Rk...
Don't think I'm going to find a 6J5 to 6SC7 adapter :lol:
Why does the amp not like being close to the cab?
The 6SC7s like to be left as alone as possible. They are a seriously troublesome tube. If I cursed loud enough at V1 bet I'd hear it come out the speakers! Have no idea how these worked out in combos.
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Re: Question About The 6J5 In The 5C8 Twin

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rp wrote:
martin manning wrote:Don't think I'm going to find a 6J5 to 6SC7 adapter :lol:
I was (jocularly) suggesting that you could make one :^)
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martin manning wrote:Why does the amp not like being close to the cab?
No bottom plate/shield?
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martin manning wrote:I was (jocularly) suggesting that you could make one :^)
For about 5 seconds I actually entertained it. I could do it quick and it'd be really hairy, or well and it'd be as laborious as rewiring the socket. But, I have been sitting on one of these nice Amphenol thingies for 20 years, and am bored and unemployed... it would allow me to A/B the two versions... now I've entertained it for 5 minutes, thanks for planting the idea... :roll:
Phil_S wrote:No bottom plate/shield?
Sure, it has a nice thick bottom plate with a piece of bitumen-type sound damper stuff I put on it. And, V1 & V2 are shock mounted early Tweed style w/ rubber grommets - which does nothing or not much IMO but I haven't tried it w/o. 6SC7s like to squeal and dink and bing I've discovered. I got my best 2 in V1 and V2. V1 the grid leak side is even more sensitive. I first thought it might be an oscillation problem but moving the cab ended it, the farther the better. It's just the nature of metal 6SC7s I'm pretty sure. I'll find out in time rolling more tubes and when I get it somewhere where I can play it flat out.
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Re: Question About The 6J5 In The 5C8 Twin

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I don't think that Amphenol thing will do it, but I can't see the top. I think you need one of these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tube-amp-octal- ... 5aea18a45e
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Octal-8-Pin-Bot ... 564c3cfd77
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Re: Question About The 6J5 In The 5C8 Twin

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You want to save the Amphenol thingy for repairs to the handful of amps that totally need it. I think the second link Phil posted is what you want. You can map connections from the male side to the female side and add parallel or series resitances to change the Rk.
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You all are great! I contacted the ebay guy who's not Angela to make sure about shipping to Italy. His thingy looks easier to work on :shock: I do want to save mine in case one on my DIY bias box every breaks.

I'll prolly put a 1K in series for the bias and have a perfect adapter. Being able to quickly A/B the two versions should be seriously cool.
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Re: Question About The 6J5 In The 5C8 Twin

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The cathode R and C are a bit of a problem. Just adding a series R will get the bias correct, but you will only be partially bypassing the Rk. To get closer to a true A-B comparison I think it would be ok to add a bypass cap across the additional 1k... It's low voltage so the cap can be physically small.
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martin manning wrote:The cathode R and C are a bit of a problem. Just adding a series R will get the bias correct, but you will only be partially bypassing the Rk. To get closer to a true A-B comparison I think it would be ok to add a bypass cap across the additional 1k... It's low voltage so the cap can be physically small.
Martin, I've never been able to hear any difference after 5mf on preamp cathode bypass caps, so I was thinking it wouldn't matter, but I also have absolutely no idea what actually happens frequency/gain-wise when you do something weird like bypass only one of 2 series resistors. Any idea? I have 25 across the 1500 now (I'll likely make it 220 just for the sake of historical accuracy when I order some up). If I don't add an other cap will I simply see 12.5mf across 2500? If so I'm all set with a 220, I know I, or anyone else, won't hear any difference between 110 and 220!

BTW. finally got a fine custom Italian PT. Look for a proper Grande Unveiling of my 5C8 soon.
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Re: Question About The 6J5 In The 5C8 Twin

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If you leave part of Rk unbypassed then you will only get part of the boost that comes from bypassing. I think you can read about that on Merlin Blencowe's Valve Wiz site, in the gain stage article.

Is a custom Italian transformer painted Ferrari red or something, and maybe it has a designer name like "Bella Vocce?"
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