My ears love the EVM-12L, but my back can't take it.

[LeftyStrat]

I just read through pages after pages of posts on speakers, and I apologize if I missed anything, but I have always loved the EVM-12L, but I'm looking for something lighter and perhaps smaller.

Has anyone found anything close to the sound in either neodymium or a 10" speaker?

Ages ago I used one to replace a blown speaker in an Ampeg VT-22 (which before the swap weighed in at 88 pounds) and it made the amp come alive for what I was playing at the time (bluesy on the edge between crunch and clean). It also seemed to really define and round out the bottom end, which made a strat into the Ampeg a joy to play.

Anyway, I'm starting down the Dumble path, but would like to build the amp around a little, lighter brother of this speaker.

[Structo]

You can always use a hand truck type thing to move a heavy cab.
But those won't help that much if you have to go up or down stairs.

I tried quite a few speakers with my D clone amps and I like the EVM 12L the best of what I tried.

I even tried the 12" Tonkerlites in my 212 but didn't care for their tone.
Also those Neo magnet speakers have gone up in price because of China sourcing a lot of the Neo material.

Really I only hear of D type guys liking the EVM or the Celestion 12-65's
Although I have seen some guys use Vintage 30's.

For a cheaper and little lighter speaker the Eminence Delta Pro gets a few nods.
Some guys get by fine with a 112 cab but I'm old school and can't really dig anything below a 212.
I also don't care for 10" speakers.
Maybe in a low powered combo like a Deluxe or something but the 12" size always seemed to deal with the frequencies of a guitar better to my ears.
Maybe as you suggest a 12 and a 10 together work nice.

Of course this is all IMHO and very subjective.
You really have to decide for yourself what to use.

[ER]

Yeah get a hand truck, or casters for you amp. Regardless of weight I feel lots better when I can move all my gear in a single trip for loading/unloading for security purposes. I would hate to come back to the car or stage and have something disappear.

With a hand truck (the kind that converts to lay flat) I was able to transport a stereo rig (1-12+2-12 combos all w/ev's) and two guitars and a lap steel all in a single trip. Consider the amount of time you spend playing vs. transporting gear, life's to short for bad tone.

When I used a bigger stereo rig with 2- 4x10 evm road cabinets and a rack (all on casters) I kept a leather weight lifting belt in my gigbag for when I couldn't find a second pair of hands to get up and down stairs or off a loading dock/stage/tailgate. With proper lifting technique and a belt you can go a long way. I've actually hurt my back a lot worse moving lighter gear carelessly.

Save money and time and what if thinking and just use the ev's. Even a single EV can hit way above it's weight efficiency wise and the polar plots on a TL806 are huge. Some people like the celestions and that's a valid preference if you prefer that tone but personally they've never scratched my itch. Other people sound great with them but I feel something's missing when I play them myself.

Good luck, ER

[Teleguy61]

If you want the sounds, you have to carry the pounds.
Anything else is a compromise.

[Structo]

hehehehe, that is a great motto!

[alvarezh]

Hi Lefty, here is the rock N roller at Musician's, a few models/sizes to choose:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessor ... 6000001005

You could also go (half way) the SRV route by using one EVM-15L instead of two 12":

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Electro ... 1631wt_767

All the best!

[Structo]

That cart is cool and all but if money is tight, Harbor Freight can have things at a lower price.
The way I look at it, if I need a tool or device that I won't use too hard or professionally, then they usually have what I need.
You just have to evaluate the quality of the unit to see if it meets your needs.

[kevster]

I did a 150# rated mini-handtruck (folding) from BJ's for $20. 4" wheels are big enough to soften the little stuff from bouncing the gear. I never do more than about 80# though. Seemed to handle that ok....

$20 is good for 3 of them from most other places.

[alvarezh]

@ Tom & Kevster:

I guess this would be more to your liking:

http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_1010 ... 208860001P

Much lighter on one's arm AND wallet. I have one, it works very well. It all depends on how many things you have to carry.

Cheers!

[Structo]

Yeah, like I've mentioned I'm not currently gigging out so I don't have to strain my back.

But when I did I had a hand truck with pneumatic tires that laid down like some of these do into a cart.
speaker cab on bottom and the rest piled on top.

What was really cool is when I started playing electric at church.
Then I just took my Line 6 POD XTL and my guitar.
Plugged straight into the board.

It sounded good enough and I didn't have to bring much at all.
There is quite an art to dialing in the patches especially when they sound totally different than they did at home.
But I had a wireless so I could walk around when we were rehearsing and dial it in closer to what I wanted.

[kevster]

@ Tom & Kevster:

I guess this would be more to your liking:

http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_1010 ... 208860001P

Much lighter on one's arm AND wallet. I have one, it works very well. It all depends on how many things you have to carry.

Cheers!

Essentially the same thing I have, except mine is a beautiful shade of blue....

Strap it all down as much as possible!!!!

@Tom

POD? Been there, done that, and back again. Tone is tone. "Good enough" just "isn't" for me.

My worship leader: PODXT3. Good, but only for rhthym only.

The tone in the house depends on SO MUCH THOUGH...

[noworrybeefcurry]

Ive used a celestion classic lead 80 and i actually really liked the sound it gave me, just my two cents.

[stelligan]

Ive used a celestion classic lead 80 and i actually really liked the sound it gave me, just my two cents.

What he said ^^ Good alternative.

[LeftyStrat]

Thanks for all the info. I don't want to skimp on tone, so I think I might build a tl606/EVM-15L and tl806/EVM-12L and see how they compare with the D-Clone. I can always use the tl606 with my bass rig.

I probably need the exercise anyway.

[John_P_WI]

Ive used a celestion classic lead 80 and i actually really liked the sound it gave me, just my two cents.

Hmmm, I've got a 4x12 loaded with them and find them to be very bright and beamy / focused.... Far from smooth.