Tele pick-up overwound

[grtamp]

Hi , my question about tele pick-up.

Is preferred over wound neck pick-up or bridge pick-up?

Anybody knows which pick-up RF mount on his Tele?

Thanks

[Structo]

What I have heard is the Lindy Fralin rewound the bridge pickup in Robben's 61 Tele.

The neck is stock.

From what I have read the Fralin Blues Special are the closest to Robbens guitar.

[exocet]

Hi , my question about tele pick-up.

Is preferred over wound neck pick-up or bridge pick-up?

Anybody knows which pick-up RF mount on his Tele?

Thanks

It is more likely that the bridge pickup is overwound.

This gives higher output overall, greater mid range content with reduced treble.

No idea what RF uses in his Telecaster but I'd be surprised if were overwound by more than 5% compared to a typical Telecaster bridge pickup.

[David Root]

The standard Tele bridge pickup was wound to about 7K5 DCR with 42 ga wire. Fralin will overwind most of his stuff by 5% on request, on many it's a standard option. This sounds like a 5% overwind.

The standard Tele neck pickup is and always was wound with 43 ga wire. Never considered one of Leo's better designs, it's a bit anaemic for modern styles.

Interestingly, Fralin is now building a "modern" Tele neck PU, originally designed by Jim Weider and perfected with Lindy's help. Now being built by him and sold by AnalogMan. for the princely sum of $125. There is an article and a pic in this month's Tonequest magazine. It has longer magnets which stick out below the bottom bobbin flat. No info on the wire gauge or Alnico type but as an ex-pickup winder I would guess maybe 42 ga and Alnico 5, because 43 ga can get a bit muddy when overwound, at least in my experience. Why Lindy is not selling it himself is not clear to me?

[grtamp]

I thought to Peter Florance voodoo Pick-ups also, but maybe are too much overwound ,8,5K to 9,5K , anybody try this?

[renshen1957]

Hi , my question about tele pick-up.

Is preferred over wound neck pick-up or bridge pick-up?

Anybody knows which pick-up RF mount on his Tele?

Thanks

Hi

The Neck on the original Broadcasters (Early Teles) had to perform double duty as bass pickup up until Leo designed his first Electric Bass.

My opinion for overwind:

The Bridge (in addition to a specially designed pick up for the neck).

Check out http://www.buckcannon.com/pickupsfortele.html and contact Don Mare. He is a the man to talk about Tele pickups.

Stephenson Design, Harmonic Design, worthy of a look. Lindy winds a great Tele set up, so do the people at Rio Grande.

I have a Zep o Tones

[telentubes]

Here's a new tele neck PU build by Lindy Fralin. Looks interesting.

http://www.buyanalogman.com/ProductDeta ... BIGTPickup

[boldaslove6789]

I've also been in search for a Robben sounding tele bridge pup.

I've got a real vintage 1959' Fender Telecaster Custom (nice maple board, cream binding, really nice resonant thin skin nitro finish, fat neck profile) on loan for the foreseeable future. I've been using it in the studio as of late and the original bridge pup sounds great but just doesn't jive with the overdrive on any of the amps I've been using as it's just to microphonic .when the gain is higher, it squeals like a pig.

I have long term possession of the guitar and I want to buy a pup for it so I can use it to gig with to get more versatility out of the guitar. I read about potting it but I think I'd rather just buy a new pup and put the old one somewhere safe.

I feel pretty privileged to have this guitar but It'd be great to get that Robben thang going with it. The Neck pup is original and it is as quiet as can be though

[Structo]

Here's a new tele neck PU build by Lindy Fralin. Looks interesting.

http://www.buyanalogman.com/ProductDeta ... BIGTPickup

I was reading about that.
Having longer magnets is an interesting twist.

@Greg,
Very cool to have that Tele.
You must have very nice friends!
Does that still have the original blender circuit?

I've tried over the years to bond with a Tele and either I haven't found the right one or they just aren't for me.
I've bought two and built two with everything from humbuckers to P90's.

I used to play Strats exclusively so I'm used to that type of neck.
Just something about the Tele, probably the electronics that I can't abide.

I just don't understand how Robben can get that Tele to sound like that.
I know, I know, the fingers but the tone is so good on his.

But right now a dual humbucker guitar works best for me and my clone.

[67plexi]

Greg, I have had great luck with JM Rolph.

Jim builds pickups just like the pre cbs fenders.

http://www.jmrolph.com/

or can fix the bridge pickup.

[Zippy]

Have you talked with the owner about it? They may have the same issue and could be happy having it properly potted.

g

I've also been in search for a Robben sounding tele bridge pup.

I've got a real vintage 1959' Fender Telecaster Custom (nice maple board, cream binding, really nice resonant thin skin nitro finish, fat neck profile) on loan for the foreseeable future. I've been using it in the studio as of late and the original bridge pup sounds great but just doesn't jive with the overdrive on any of the amps I've been using as it's just to microphonic .when the gain is higher, it squeals like a pig.

I have long term possession of the guitar and I want to buy a pup for it so I can use it to gig with to get more versatility out of the guitar. I read about potting it but I think I'd rather just buy a new pup and put the old one somewhere safe.

I feel pretty privileged to have this guitar but It'd be great to get that Robben thang going with it. The Neck pup is original and it is as quiet as can be though

[boldaslove6789]

Thanks guys!

Tom, to my knowledge no it does not have a blender circuit but I only changed the Vol pot cause it was scratchy and that was it. It's input jack to Volume with the Tone off the volume (.047uF cap to ground) and before that the 3 position switch going to each individual pickup.

I'll have to check the wiring the next time I get the guitar apart.

Yeah, the owner doesn't really care what I do to the guitar, which is quite a relief because a guitar like this needs upgrades here or there to become a nice comfortable players guitar. I plan on taking the guitar on the road and the owner is content with that and knows the risks.


The pickup measures 5.5k BTW which seems too low of output but, I guess all bridge pups from this era varied quite a bit from 5k up to 6.3k but sonically were consistent with each others.

A bit more over-wind on the pups from this era would not hurt tonally and I bet Robben got the pup from his 62' rewound, over-wound by 2%, re-potted, and a brass plate added to the bottom.

I suppose vacuum potting the pup would be the best thing for it (it is a players guitar after all, not a museum piece) and I'd rather use the original pup if I can.

[bcook]

I've got Loller Special T's in mine, and like them a lot.

[Structo]

Greg, you can also pot them in lacquer as well.

Curtis Novak reportedly does it that way.
I believe that is what Fender used at first but wax was cheaper so......

My understanding as far as overwinding or underwinding is with single coils you get more character/ wood, tone with a pickup that is not too hot.
That is why a lot of guys dig the the old vintage Fenders.

I sort of cringed when you said you were going to pot or replace the pickup on the 59 Tele.
Because for collector value they don't like to see any solder joints that aren't original.
It's all about being original with collectors.

But on the other hand, that is great you have permission to make it a players guitar.
If it were me, I would carefully remove the original pickup(s) and then install some high quality moderns like the Fralins.
Not sure if you are after the Robben tone but there are so many small winders nowadays and with Dimarzio and Seymour offering so many different models, it can get overwhelming to decide on which one to install.

I have probably spent a small fortune on pickups, speakers, etc. trying to nail that tone in my head.

Love to hear the Tele when you get it dialed in.

[diagrammatiks]

bareknuckle and anderson both make a 10-11k tele bridge.