QUINN TKT183 6L6 ARRIVES

[Mr Dumble]

It finally got here safe and sound. For those who do not know, this is the cloned preamp section of Dumble #183, run into a 6L6 power section instead of the EL34. The amp has all chinese tubes except for a GE in the Phase inverter spot. I also think that a few of the pots are not NOS as on my first one. You can feel a few that are very loose like on the Dumble, and others that are really tight. Shad can chime in with any other details if he wants.

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The amp sounds sensational! When comparing to the EL34 amp, the tone is slightly darker, more focused, has more strain (As much as the Emmy Pro I think!) but is not quite as open sounding. SERIOUS straining and note flipping! (VERY GOOD!) The EL34 is slightly fizzier on the top and the notes are wider sounding if that makes sense. Just a big thanks once again to Shad for now making 2 amps that can hang on even terms with any Dumble I have ever heard. Its only been a few hours, but right now, if I had to choose just one of these amps, I would take the new one. Time will tell, but both of these amps are keepers for sure. here is what it sounds like right now. First take with all controls around noon. PRS guitar into Mesa cab with G12H30s. New TREX roomate in the loop.

http://www.soundclick.com/player/single ... D=10106548


Beautiful tone IMO. Shad you made me a very happy man again.

[boldaslove6789]

The amp sound great.Shads got skills no doubt

Haven't got it yet but here's my preamp on the top:

(with Ftsw'able FET boost)

[Mr Dumble]

The amp sound great.Shads got skills no doubt

Haven't got it yet but here's my preamp on the top:

(with Ftsw'able FET boost)

Thanks man. You are going to be blown away by the tone. What power amp are you running it into and what speakers?

[boldaslove6789]

I am going to be running it into a 100w 6L6 pwr section (skyliner PI). I'll be using a preamp switcher to switch between the amps internal pre amp and the 183' pre into a cab with 2x EvM12L's

[CHIP]

Sounds very good.
great job again Shad

[Mr Dumble]

I am going to be running it into a 100w 6L6 pwr section (skyliner PI). I'll be using a preamp switcher to switch between the amps internal pre amp and the 183' pre into a cab with 2x EvM12L's

That sounds like some setup! 2EVs? It also sounds like you have a strong back!

[boldaslove6789]

Yes the cab is quite heavy but its worth the haul for the the big fat clean headroom. I use that rig in conjunction with another amp to run a leslie cab too sometimes.

Did Ev's play nice with 183?

[Bob-I]

Sounds good, it's very raw and driven as opposed to smooth and grainy.

Personally I prefer smoother with less of the "in your face" high end.

Excellent playing on this clip.

[Mr Dumble]

Sounds good, it's very raw and driven as opposed to smooth and grainy.

Personally I prefer smoother with less of the "in your face" high end.

Excellent playing on this clip.

Thanks Bob. The high end is the G12H30s. Very bright speakers, but I have grown to like it. I will do clips with the G65s which make it smooth as glass. I will try and do half with the EL34 amp, and half with the 6L6 based one to show the differences. Now out to plow some snow and help pay for this thing.

[Max]

2 amps that can hang on even terms with any Dumble I have ever heard.

Hi Mr Dumble,

to avoid misunderstandings: What precisely do you mean by "can hang on even terms" in this context?

Cheers,

Max

[Mr Dumble]

2 amps that can hang on even terms with any Dumble I have ever heard.

Hi Mr Dumble,

to avoid misunderstandings: What precisely do you mean by "can hang on even terms" in this context?

Cheers,

Max

Hi Max.

Sound as good as.

[Mr Dumble]

Yes the cab is quite heavy but its worth the haul for the the big fat clean headroom. I use that rig in conjunction with another amp to run a leslie cab too sometimes.

Did Ev's play nice with 183?

I have not had a chance to try this one. My EL34 TKT and the Dumble both sounded pretty good with my 12Ls, but not my favorite speaker for them.

[Max]

Sound as good as.

I see.

OK. I would really like to better understand what you are talking about in your posts here if you talk about "tone" and if you compare the tone of different amps. Perhaps let's start like this:

All the Dumble amps I know in person or from recordings IMO sound rather different - even those from the same "generation". No big surprise IMO as the tone of all or at least most of them has been customized by Alexander Dumble in the way his different customers like it best.

Because of this I'm not sure if I understand what exactly you want to say when you post "The TKT 183 6L6 sounds as good as all the Dumble amps I know"? What in detail do you mean by "sound as good"?

Please let me explain what I don't understand:

IMO, at least judged by the clip you've linked to here, your TKT 183 6L6 sounds rather different than the Dumbleland that SRV used for the recording of Texas Flood, or than one of David Lindley's two 1st generation ODS, or than the ODR of Rick Vito, or than the ODS #075 of Steve Farris, or than #102 of Robben Ford before its skyline update, or than the 4th generation ODS of Larry Carlton in its original "classic" setup – just to give you six different examples of Dumble amps that IMO sound rather different from one another and from your TKT 183 6L6.

So could you perhaps try to explain what exactly you mean if you write that you think that your TKT 183 6L6 does "sound as good as" the Texas Flood Dumbleland or the ODR of Rick Vito, or #102 in its original "classic" setup as used by Robben Ford for the TTYD recordings, or #075 as used by Steve Farris for countless studio recordings or the 4th generation "classic" ODS used by Larry Carlton for all his eighties recordings he did with a Dumble ODS?

Perhaps you could use some of the recordings done with these six different Dumble amps (some of them see below and better quality versions of some of these recordings will probably be a part of the CD/record collections of many members here) to explain in what way you think that your TKT 183 6L6 does "sounds as good as" the six Dumble amps that have been used to record these songs? In what details of the sound of TKT 183 6L6 and in what details of the sound of these six Dumble amps do you think that TKT 183 6L6 does "sound as good as" these six Dumble amps? To which details of the tone of the TKT 183 6L6 and to which details of the tones of these six Dumble amps do you refer to if you say they all "sound as good"?

Dumbleland 150W, Stevie Ray Vaughn
"Texas Flood" http://www.songarea.com/mc/2/stevie_ray_vaughan.html

1st generation ODS, David Lindley
Jackson Browne "Running On Empty" http://www.songarea.com/mc/2/jackson_browne.html (1st solo at around 2:00)

Transition generation "classic" ODS #075, Steve Farris
Eros Ramazotti "Cose Della Vita" http://www.songarea.com/mc/6/eros_ramazotti.html (some solo parts)
Mr. Mister "Is It Love" http://www.songarea.com/mc/3/mr_mister.html (solo at around 2:00)

Transition generation ODR #058, Rick Vito
Bob Seger "Like A Rock" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keIvA2wSPZc (solos at around 2:10 and 4:40)
Jackson Browne "Lawyers In Love" http://www.songarea.com/mc/9/jackson_browne.html

4th generation "classic" ODS #102, Robben Ford
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKGP6y5Anm4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQsayvE6_Pc (solo at around 3:00)

4th generation "classic" ODS, Larry Carlton
"Sleepwalk" http://www.songarea.com/mc/1/larry_carl ... _nite.html
"BB Blues" http://www.songarea.com/mc/4/larry_carlton.html

Cheers,

Max

[BobW]

Max, Thanks for trying to help clarify his statement. It was a bit unclear.

FWIW, sound clips posted here on this forum are mostly solo oriented. That is ok, but I'd like to hear more rhythm and solo mixed sound clips, in order to help quantify an amps tone quality and capability for utility use at gigs.

[greiswig]

Max, Thanks for trying to help clarify his statement. It was a bit unclear.

FWIW, sound clips posted here on this forum are mostly solo oriented. That is ok, but I'd like to hear more rhythm and solo mixed sound clips, in order to help quantify an amps tone quality and capability for utility use at gigs.

You mean you do more than just solos at gigs?

Yeah, this is a quality that I hear in really good amps that I think is hard to replicate. When I hear Robben Ford live, I actually can't tell whether he's using PAB or not for his leads, or whether he's just goosed the gain enough to where he can roll off the volume knob on his guitar for rhythm parts. In either case, the rhythm parts sound good whether they're the semi-OD type or the heavy OD type. Always tight, never too much. Then to switch to lead and have it sing like that...very nice.