Finished Dumblelator

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stelligan wrote:
UltraHookedOnPhonix wrote:
Love the Smooshy vid! :D

There's something Cabypara-ish about Smooshy...or maybe I've been suckin' down a few beers too many :oops:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Capybara_2.jpg

Dogears, set us straight! we've gone off the ol' plantation!! :shock:
She'd chomp you for comparing her to that thing! She has been a welcome addition to the crew. Cuts down on the dog walking miles for me, too. They wear each other out......

Last pic, I promise
Haha! I totally deserve it...

You are lucky to have such harmony between them both. It really is apparent in you pics/vids.
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Just a question...

I installed preamp out/power amp in jacks in the back of my amp and i am starting to gather the components to build a dumbleator. I was looking at Tony Albany layout and i saw that the power supply had a transformer with 135-0ac secondary. I also saw that the voltages can go as high as 368.3 Vdc? How is this possible with a 135 Vac secondary? By my calculations they cannot go beyond 190 Vdc or am i missing something?

I am asking this because i have a preamp transformer lying around that deliver 220Vac/50mA on the secondary and has heater taps for a single 12ax7. After full wave rectification i should have like 311 Vdc max at idle. Is this transformer suitable or not?

Thx.
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Because that power supply utilizes a voltage doubler. :wink:

I used a Fender stand alone reverb PT which gave me 342v for B+1 and 278 on B+2.

That gave me 278v on the CF plate and 31v on the cathode.

The other plate was 213v after the 100K plate resistor.
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Structo wrote:Because that power supply utilizes a voltage doubler. :wink:

I used a Fender stand alone reverb PT which gave me 342v for B+1 and 278 on B+2.

That gave me 278v on the CF plate and 31v on the cathode.

The other plate was 213v after the 100K plate resistor.
Funny... i thought about that, but i didnt bother to look closely at the schematic. You are right.

I think i'll just give it a try with my transformer but without the voltage doubler.

Thx mate. 8)
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Keep in mind that when you double the voltage, you also halve the current capacity. This is an important consideration when choosing a suitable Dumblelator PT.
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Yeah i know. Thats why i dont understand why H. Dumble would do such a thing when he could just choose another type of transformer with different secondary voltages and power handling.

I know very little about the dumbleator and i dont really know how many units he has built. Did they all had this voltage multiplier (thats how we call it here)? Because i can only assume that on this one he used whatever transformer he had lying around.

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I remember back when i was studying electronics we only used this type of circuit for reference voltages and only coupled to high impedance circuits so that the current draw would be minimum. Anyways just another thought.
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He probably had a bunch of those transformers so he decided to use them.
He was well known to frequent the surplus places local to him.

Plus they are small enough.

Just about any other transformer will be too large for a 1U rack enclosure.
I had to use a 3 inch tall Hammond enclosure to use the Fender reverb PT.
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I gave this the chance:

http://www.tube-town.net/ttstore/produc ... reamp.html

Best solution for 1U sizes I guess. At least in Europe. I got 350 VDC behind/after the diodes.

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hans-jörg wrote:I gave this the chance:

http://www.tube-town.net/ttstore/produc ... reamp.html

Best solution for 1U sizes I guess. At least in Europe. I got 350 VDC behind the diodes.

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Yep i buy all my stuff from that shop also.

Toroidals are a very good option if you lack the space. Also they have lower induction leakage that should also lower inductive noise.

You mean 350Vdc after the diodes right?

Did you bought the rack unit from tube-town also?

Cheers!
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turbo5speed wrote:Did you bought the rack unit from tube-town also?
Forget it. Dumb question... just saw your post about your dumbleator
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turbo5speed wrote:Yeah i know. Thats why i dont understand why H. Dumble would do such a thing when he could just choose another type of transformer with different secondary voltages and power handling.

Because i can only assume that on this one he used whatever transformer he had lying around.

Cheers!
He did what he did using plenty of donor and surplus items. Keep in mind that even in a doubler config that Triad PT still provided 7mA, which is still very adequate for a 12AX7.

TM
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turbo5speed wrote:
turbo5speed wrote:Did you bought the rack unit from tube-town also?
Forget it. Dumb question... just saw your post about your dumbleator
yes as you can see its a Hammond alu rack. The only mistake I made - its too high. So I had to cut it on one corner to shouvel it in Head and under the Amp (The PT of the amp is too high). So it looks nasty. But with the Front and back plates everything is hidden. :D
I could order a 5 cm high one but I orderd a 7 cm. But I wanted to finish so I cut the edge.

Yes I order everything from this shop and the forum there is very helpfully and friendly (to such newbys like me) too. Same like here, only over the pond :lol:

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Only to such builds I dont put Torodials but as close to the original as possible. 8)

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