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fullerplast
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Re: Ceriatone Dumble

Post by fullerplast »

Hey guys- I just got an Overtone a few weeks ago from the short run that Nik did. I popped in an arbitrary set of good OS tubes, biased it (via the built in test points), and found it to be *very* easy to dial in some great tone into an EVM12L. Both the clean tone and OD tone were much better than expected. Both the tone stack and the gain/volume controls were smooth across the full range and it was easy to dial in small changes without being overly sensitive.

As a point of reference, I've owned four Fuchs amps (including a recent dogears hand tuned ODS50-SLX), a TR Custom Reverb, and have played others. (I currently have a D'Lite build pending.) Not nearly as many D amps as some here, but not insignificant either.

My current favorite gigging amp (and the only Fuchs I strill own) is still an older ODS30 that is a bit of a mutant with a MM OT and some early SLX updates with a couple of years worth of tube selection, trim pot tweaks, speaker/cab selection, and learning how to best dial it in. In contrast, the Overtone was much, much easier to dial in than any of the D style amps I've owned. I still like the ODS30 a bit better, but I do like the Overtone right out of the box better than any of the other Fuchs or TR amps I've owned, and I haven't even done tube swaps or trim adjustments yet.

The workmanship is excellent and the whole package actually astonishing for $800. The layout allows for easy access to everything and would be very easy to repair, tweak, or mod. It's very quiet and there appear to be no quirks over the full range of operation. IMHO it's a very, very good amp at an amazing price for the level of complexity.

That's not to say anyone is right or wrong about what they like.....in many case it's simply a matter of preference and our ears not being "calibrated" the same way. If we are not all in the same room listening to the same thing, then words only convey so much. So Scott, maybe next time I'm driving through "the swamps of Jersey" I'll bring the Overtone by for a test drive..... :wink:
dogears
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Re: Ceriatone Dumble

Post by dogears »

Good to hear!

Btw, my friend "CB", has the Overtone, as well as a Fuchs mod that I helped him tweak via phone. He said it is no contest. The Overtone is borderline harsh in the OD.

Regarding my mods, as I don't charge, you never know whether "full Scott tweaks" is really true. Only my amps have all the tweaks. Too often, I read about people saying their amp is a fully Scott "SLX" when it is not. Your 30 had way more Scott hours in it than the other amp. I spent many hours with it as it was going to the Michigan ampfest.
fullerplast
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Re: Ceriatone Dumble

Post by fullerplast »

Hey Scott-

No harshness here to my ears, although the "magic" ODS30 is a bit smoother on the OD. You did do a good job on that one! The Overtone cleans may be a bit better/tighter though, perhaps due to the larger OT and fixed bias.

The hand-tuned amp I referred to was a 50 that you did for Michael Lewis in Nashville. It was hand labeled "HT" and signed by you so I'm assuming it was the real deal. I thought it might be a contender for the 30 but after a couple of months, I sold it.....not that it wasn't a stellar amp, I just preferred the 30.

I kinda expected the Overtone to be a good inexpensive platform to experiment with but was surprised how much I liked it right out of the box. It seems to work equally well with single coils, Bardens, and humbuckers.
dogears
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Re: Ceriatone Dumble

Post by dogears »

I am curious if the values Nik used are the same as CBs amp. I have a full set of pics of his. Shoot me an email. I'll send them....

Each amp is different and some just come out much better than others!! Glad yours is nice!
spm
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Re: Ceriatone Dumble

Post by spm »

Here is one overtone clip .. i made.

http://www.spmblues.com/overtone/R8_OT_G1265_MD421.mp3

... no harshness to my ears also?!

Ragards
Sami
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JimiB
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Re: Ceriatone Dumble

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nothing wrong with that!
makrisp
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Re: Ceriatone Dumble

Post by makrisp »

spm wrote:Here is one overtone clip .. i made.

http://www.spmblues.com/overtone/R8_OT_G1265_MD421.mp3

... no harshness to my ears also?!

Ragards
Sami
Sounds darn good to me and I own a Dumble! I think its time to buy one. With a little tweaking you just can't go wrong.
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makrisp
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Re: Ceriatone Dumble

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dogears wrote:I am curious if the values Nik used are the same as CBs amp. I have a full set of pics of his. Shoot me an email. I'll send them....

Each amp is different and some just come out much better than others!! Glad yours is nice!
Scott,

The same could be said for any amp including Bludo's. Every component has a tolerance spec including Bludotone amps.

Nik makes a great amp, and you would be of greater assistance helping folks achieve the best tone possible. The negativity that you create around Nik's amp is clear to me and many other folks that he makes a heck of a product.

I would like to know your opinion about Carol Ann Amps?
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dogears
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Re: Ceriatone Dumble

Post by dogears »

Paul,

I have not engaged in any negativity since Nik and I cleared things up ages ago. The story about my friend ( "CB" in my post) not being happy is 100% true. He said the OD was way too bright and aggressive. Quite clearly due to the OD entrance network, reduced bypass on OD2, and bright cap. You will have a brighter OD if you reduce the resistance between CL2 and OD1. The level Nik used is not found in any Dumble. Probably should have upped the snubbers to 330pf to compensate and set the gain lower than 50%. None of the issues are beyond tweaks.

Build looked good. Clean sounded fine too. How is that negative? I even have pics to prove it..... I was not making anything up.

I have not played one of Alans amps yet. Hopefully at NAMM.

Regards....
makrisp wrote:
dogears wrote:I am curious if the values Nik used are the same as CBs amp. I have a full set of pics of his. Shoot me an email. I'll send them....

Each amp is different and some just come out much better than others!! Glad yours is nice!
Scott,

The same could be said for any amp including Bludo's. Every component has a tolerance spec including Bludotone amps.

Nik makes a great amp, and you would be of greater assistance helping folks achieve the best tone possible. The negativity that you create around Nik's amp is clear to me and many other folks that he makes a heck of a product.

I would like to know your opinion about Carol Ann Amps?
dogears
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Re: Ceriatone Dumble

Post by dogears »

File sounds great, but I could only listen to the first 10 seconds or so..... Strange. Maybe I'll clear the cache and retry it.
spm
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Re: Ceriatone Dumble

Post by spm »

dogears wrote:File sounds great, but I could only listen to the first 10 seconds or so..... Strange. Maybe I'll clear the cache and retry it.
Strange...try save it to disk first ...
makrisp
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Re: Ceriatone Dumble

Post by makrisp »

dogears wrote:Paul,

I have not engaged in any negativity since Nik and I cleared things up ages ago. The story about my friend ( "CB" in my post) not being happy is 100% true. He said the OD was way too bright and aggressive. Quite clearly due to the OD entrance network, reduced bypass on OD2, and bright cap. You will have a brighter OD if you reduce the resistance between CL2 and OD1. The level Nik used is not found in any Dumble. Probably should have upped the snubbers to 330pf to compensate and set the gain lower than 50%. None of the issues are beyond tweaks.

Build looked good. Clean sounded fine too. How is that negative? I even have pics to prove it..... I was not making anything up.

I have not played one of Alans amps yet. Hopefully at NAMM.

Regards....


makrisp wrote:
dogears wrote:I am curious if the values Nik used are the same as CBs amp. I have a full set of pics of his. Shoot me an email. I'll send them....

Each amp is different and some just come out much better than others!! Glad yours is nice!
Scott,

The same could be said for any amp including Bludo's. Every component has a tolerance spec including Bludotone amps.

Nik makes a great amp, and you would be of greater assistance helping folks achieve the best tone possible. The negativity that you create around Nik's amp is clear to me and many other folks that he makes a heck of a product.

I would like to know your opinion about Carol Ann Amps?
Scott,
Many folks look for your professional assistance, and I appreciate that you will give Nik's amps a chance on this site. Beyond simple board tweaks, do you feel that maybe the Output Transformer needs upgrading? What do your ears tell you?

When are you heading out to NAMM?

Thank you
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jackdc100
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Re: Ceriatone Dumble

Post by jackdc100 »

makrisp wrote:
dogears wrote:Paul,

I have not engaged in any negativity since Nik and I cleared things up ages ago. The story about my friend ( "CB" in my post) not being happy is 100% true. He said the OD was way too bright and aggressive. Quite clearly due to the OD entrance network, reduced bypass on OD2, and bright cap. You will have a brighter OD if you reduce the resistance between CL2 and OD1. The level Nik used is not found in any Dumble. Probably should have upped the snubbers to 330pf to compensate and set the gain lower than 50%. None of the issues are beyond tweaks.

Build looked good. Clean sounded fine too. How is that negative? I even have pics to prove it..... I was not making anything up.

I have not played one of Alans amps yet. Hopefully at NAMM.

Regards....


makrisp wrote: Scott,

The same could be said for any amp including Bludo's. Every component has a tolerance spec including Bludotone amps.

Nik makes a great amp, and you would be of greater assistance helping folks achieve the best tone possible. The negativity that you create around Nik's amp is clear to me and many other folks that he makes a heck of a product.

I would like to know your opinion about Carol Ann Amps?
Scott,
Many folks look for your professional assistance, and I appreciate that you will give Nik's amps a chance on this site. Beyond simple board tweaks, do you feel that maybe the Output Transformer needs upgrading? What do your ears tell you?

When are you heading out to NAMM?

Thank you
Are the output transformers in the ceriatones not so great?
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candh
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Re: Ceriatone Dumble

Post by candh »

That is a question that is always in the back of my mind while I'm tweaking this amp.
makrisp
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Re: Ceriatone Dumble

Post by makrisp »

candh wrote:That is a question that is always in the back of my mind while I'm tweaking this amp.
I will be testing the entire amp in about 6 weeks and will update.
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