TWO ROCK EMERALD PRO REVISITED 5 years later

[vibratoking]

I cloned my Dumble yes, but it was after I sold it that the NEW owner sent pics to some builders, NOT me! I had nothing to do with it, and BEGGED the new owner not to send pics out when I heard he might......

Why would you beg the new owner not to make pics available? It was his amp and his pics to do with what he wanted. As if your opinion on that counted for something.

Please continue with your rants. Discrediting yourself seems to be what you are good at and inconsistencies seem to be your hallmark. Unfortunately for you, some of us haven't forgotten your previous "opinions".

[talbany]

In all fairness here..
All of the info pertaining to the 183 layout I did came from Shad who did a clone of that amp..Pics later surfaced here (for a few hours) then was taken down by the request of the now owner of the amp..IMO at that point pics of the amp were a bonus but the components and amps construction had been exposed in the layout (Thanks to Shad)..
Later I tried to thank Tag for contributing to the forum thinking he authorized the sharing of info but he refused the thank you.(I then assumed he wanted no part in it ) Either way had Tag not purchased the amp and Shad not cloned it, the info would probably not to this day been available to us..

Tony

[vibratoking]

Tony - I agree with your recollection.

I am trying to make a point that tag is trying to practice revisionist history with regard to how the information got outed and also prior comments regarding which amp is the best. Every GD amp can't be the best. I'm demanding consistency concerning his new statements which contradict his previous statements. In essence, I'm just calling bullshit when I see it.

[talbany]

Tony - I agree with your recollection.

I am trying to make a point that tag is trying to practice revisionist history with regard to how the information got outed and also prior comments regarding which amp is the best. Every GD amp can't be the best. I'm demanding consistency concerning his new statements which contradict his previous statements. In essence, I'm just calling bullshit when I see it.

I can relate...So Call Away!

Normally I don't want to comment about someone elses opinion on how an amp sounds.. I find sorting my sock drawer to be more productive.. seriously..
But whenever I see some using terms like "Best" or "Greatest" or Blows other amps away..I usually STOP reading right then..
years ago I might have been interested... But in dealing with the general public and guitar players in general for so long..Now these terms mean nothing to me..
Personally I prefer to review an amp based on what I think the amps sound would appeal or Not appeal to some players.. An example might be!..
Some players think just because an amp might exibit a smooth overdrive tone is a good quality in an amp..Other players might like an amp that is a bit more aggressive and want more 3rd order..Some might like more low end in there OD tone.. etc etc..
Some players might like a clean channel that has some break up..Some Jazz guy's like it clean and tight on up..I can go on but the point is the word "Best" simply means what's best for that player (at that place in time) before the next "Best amp follows..
The Guitar player side of me really doesn't give a good rip what other guy's like or want..Although I think it's great they found an amp they like but this benefits me or even interests me not in the least..Too others it might?

IMO more people would benifit far greater if a review was made impartially and without bias and describes (in the players mind) what the amp sounds like and what style does the amp accel..Blues,Jazz rock,Rock.High gain Heavy Rock,Country,good pedal platform,Smooth, aggressive,tight loose, loud, bright ,Fender style reverb,Magnatone style trem, etc..(these kinds of terms) and let the reader determine if it's something he can use in his arsenal...We all know 1 amp cannot possibly satisfy every players demands and different tastes and styles..

Back to my sock Drawer..

Tony

[tag101]

Tony - I agree with your recollection.

I am trying to make a point that tag is trying to practice revisionist history with regard to how the information got outed

False. I had nothing to do with it. The new owner is a friend, and he ran the idea of sending pics out to TwoRock by me. I totally disagreed, and let him know my feelings. You are correct in that it was his amp at that time, and he ended up doing what he wanted to do. He regrets it now, and says he should have listened to me.

and also prior comments regarding which amp is the best. Every GD amp can't be the best.

Totally agree. Dont put words in my mouth. I bought two Glaswerks and a Redplate right? Henry and Gary are great guys and excellent builders, but I reported the amps did not sound very much like ANY Dumble I had played. My reviews were always what I thought sounded exactly like a Dumble, or the closest to them, not what was the "best" amp. I also have played many Bludos, Carol Anns, Fuchs, Brown notes and others. I have ALWAYS said that besides the Quinn, the TwoRocks have always sounded the closest to the Dumbles I have played, and the Dumble tones I liked that I have heard on records. Bruno Super 100s (especially EL34s) and Fuchs amps also sound extremely similar to Dumbles. Those remain the top three besides the Quinn (which is dead on) that I have played.

Same things I have always reported.

I'm demanding consistency concerning his new statements which contradict his previous statements. In essence, I'm just calling bullshit when I see it.

I think you may need a memory check.

Once again for the record.

Quinn TKT183. Dead on Dumble tones. The equal of #183 to my ear. Need clips? I have them! 183 to me, is a really unique sounding Dumble, that can get as smooth as glass, or harmonically drenched and thick, and it has a lot to do with the presence knob. I have not found that in any other Dumble or clone.

The closest things to the Dumbles I have played, but may have have some variation. TwoRock Artist. K&M Custom. TwoRock Emerald Pro, Early Quinns (Pre TKT), certain Bruno Super 100s. Certain Fuchs amps.

Thats the same things I have always found, and always stated. Certain Emerald Pros sound different. Bill told me he wired some differently. Bruno Super 100s were built in many different configurations. The very Early EL34 versions were KILLER. I have also played a few Fuchs amps, in particular a 50 watt combo that was REALLY special.

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VERY GOOD!

[tag101]

Either way had Tag not purchased the amp and Shad not cloned it, the info would probably not to this day been available to us..

Tony

Tony,
Come on man, you seem like a good guy. Its amazing what people will do when they want to "blame" someone. You know that by your own above logic, "If Dumble had not built amps in the first place, Tag would not have hired Shad to clone one, he would not have sold one to his friend who wanted to do TwoRock a favor with pics, then the info would probably not be available to us either". See its all Dumbles fault.


One more clip. Video. The sustain is amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBF2AHU ... e=youtu.be

[Rod]

Hi TAG...its great to hear your commentary again.. We miss you on TGP. At least those of us that give a s..t. its very different there these days. glad to know you are alive and well. Tag does know tone....
fwiw. I recently played a Clara d style amp made in Calgary Alberta Canada that my other guitarist for our band bought used. He brought it to practice and wanted me to play it cause I'm the lead guitarist and wanted my opinion cause Ive played a few Dumbles and knoe how they work. When I first plugged it in I really didn't have any high hopes. Man was I wrong..it was 100 watts, 4 6l6's. It was huge sounding, had a great snarl to it. Wasn't congested or flubby in the bottom end. Beautiful mids and highs with incredible dynamics.. I have previously owned a Two Rock LTD, Emerald 50 and a Fuchs ODS 100 and a Triple Drive Supreme. This Clara D amp was on another level of tone. Have you ever heard of them?

[bruce egnater]

Forgive my ignorance. Talbany, what amp company do you own?

[tag101]

Hi TAG...its great to hear your commentary again.. We miss you on TGP. At least those of us that give a s..t. its very different there these days. glad to know you are alive and well. Tag does know tone....
fwiw. I recently played a Clara d style amp made in Calgary Alberta Canada that my other guitarist for our band bought used. He brought it to practice and wanted me to play it cause I'm the lead guitarist and wanted my opinion cause Ive played a few Dumbles and knoe how they work. When I first plugged it in I really didn't have any high hopes. Man was I wrong..it was 100 watts, 4 6l6's. It was huge sounding, had a great snarl to it. Wasn't congested or flubby in the bottom end. Beautiful mids and highs with incredible dynamics.. I have previously owned a Two Rock LTD, Emerald 50 and a Fuchs ODS 100 and a Triple Drive Supreme. This Clara D amp was on another level of tone. Have you ever heard of them?

Hey Thanks Rod! I never heard of those, if I ever see one, I will be sure to give it a ride!

getting back to the Emerald pro for a minute, here is a better clip i just did, and the amp is INSANE. I am remembering how to dial it in, as the reverb, MV and loop volume all have a huge effect on the tone. In this clip, I left the reverb on the amp off, and used the TREX Roomate reverb in the loop set to series. (The roomate has a mix knob on it) Its the same verb i always use with the Quinns and the old Dumble. Its all personal taste of course, but this is right up there with the best tones i have ever gotten IMO. Something about the emerald pro just makes it sing better than any amp I have ever played. You just want to plug in, bend a note and listen to the amp starin to hold that note back! Its a very stingy amp! Does not want to let go of any notes! VERY GOOD!

EMMY PRO re-visited. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnxZmcN ... S4Ce-JEqow

Is anyone familar enough with this TwoRock circuit that makes it sing and strain so much? I have compared it to many other HRMs, including Dumbles, and this thing is magical in comparison. Everyone says its so sloppy inside, (i dont think its that bad actually), is the way its put together part of it? If it was "neater", maybe it would not sound the same? I know Bill said he could build the same circuit and make it sound 20 different ways with the way he laid it out. Maybe thats what it is? This amp has always blown me away, from the very first notes I ever played on one way back in 2001-2002. Dont go telling me every amp I have I say is the best, listen to the clip. Its plain as day there is something special about these amps.

[brentm]

Yeah, you know I have a Bassman mod from Joe Mlog that sounds killer. I also have a Two Rock Custom Reverb that sounds good... but the Bassman mod is head and shoulders better sounding than the Custom Reverb.

Maybe the sloppy wiring has something to do with it... or just all the NTE parts along with some vintage iron...

I should fire that thing back up.... just wish it had reverb.

[tag101]

Yeah, you know I have a Bassman mod from Joe Mlog that sounds killer. I also have a Two Rock Custom Reverb that sounds good... but the Bassman mod is head and shoulders better sounding than the Custom Reverb.

Maybe the sloppy wiring has something to do with it... or just all the NTE parts along with some vintage iron...

I should fire that thing back up.... just wish it had reverb.

Not having reverb is probably a bit of the magic. Or, I think the K@M custom sounds much better than the Custom reverb because of the lack of verb. I have owned both. Whatever the case may be, Bill makes some killer sounding amps.

[hitchcaster]

emerald was a hrm circuit copy.... the custom was a circuit copy of kimocks 70's dumble he lent them... they changed the layout and said it was only a tonal clone they did by ear. then they did their own mod and added reverb... then they squeezed out more by orienting the caps correctly and parts selection and called it custom reverb sig... but charged more for the "sig"..... anyway, custom was the favorite I owned from them... sold the 2 emeralds... just FYI

[tag101]

emerald was a hrm circuit copy.... the custom was a circuit copy of kimocks 70's dumble he lent them... they changed the layout and said it was only a tonal clone they did by ear. then they did their own mod and added reverb... then they squeezed out more by orienting the caps correctly and parts selection and called it custom reverb sig... but charged more for the "sig"..... anyway, custom was the favorite I owned from them... sold the 2 emeralds... just FYI

Thanks man, thats some interesting stuff! The Emerald and Emerald Pro are two totally different amps however. I also loved the custom, and sig V1 (hated the sig v2) but my favorite, probably even more than the emerald pro, was the TwoRock custom reverb "artist" i had. It was suppose to be a cheaper sigv1, (No special or matched parts) but I had them both at the same time, and the Artist was a far superior amp to my ear. I actually had an emerald pro, emerald pro prototype, a Custom, a custom prototype, a Sig V1 and the Artist all at the same time. They were all great amps, with the Artist, production Custom, and production Emmy being my favorites. A nd I said this before, but I have played several Dumble HRM amps, and a LOT of HRM clones. The Emerald pro and opal are the only ones that I ever really liked. Some of the clones were almost unusable, and 1-2 of the Dumble HRMs I did not like at all either. very raspy sounding amps. TwoRock really seemed to have the HRM circuit down. Oh yea, Shads pre 183 HRM amps were REALLY nice as well. Not sure if he builds them anymore however.

[groovtubin]

Hi TAG...its great to hear your commentary again.. We miss you on TGP. At least those of us that give a s..t. its very different there these days. glad to know you are alive and well. Tag does know tone....
fwiw. I recently played a Clara d style amp made in Calgary Alberta Canada that my other guitarist for our band bought used. He brought it to practice and wanted me to play it cause I'm the lead guitarist and wanted my opinion cause Ive played a few Dumbles and knoe how they work. When I first plugged it in I really didn't have any high hopes. Man was I wrong..it was 100 watts, 4 6l6's. It was huge sounding, had a great snarl to it. Wasn't congested or flubby in the bottom end. Beautiful mids and highs with incredible dynamics.. I have previously owned a Two Rock LTD, Emerald 50 and a Fuchs ODS 100 and a Triple Drive Supreme. This Clara D amp was on another level of tone. Have you ever heard of them?

Hey Thanks Rod! I never heard of those, if I ever see one, I will be sure to give it a ride!

getting back to the Emerald pro for a minute, here is a better clip i just did, and the amp is INSANE. I am remembering how to dial it in, as the reverb, MV and loop volume all have a huge effect on the tone. In this clip, I left the reverb on the amp off, and used the TREX Roomate reverb in the loop set to series. (The roomate has a mix knob on it) Its the same verb i always use with the Quinns and the old Dumble. Its all personal taste of course, but this is right up there with the best tones i have ever gotten IMO. Something about the emerald pro just makes it sing better than any amp I have ever played. You just want to plug in, bend a note and listen to the amp starin to hold that note back! Its a very stingy amp! Does not want to let go of any notes! VERY GOOD!

EMMY PRO re-visited. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnxZmcN ... S4Ce-JEqow

Is anyone familar enough with this TwoRock circuit that makes it sing and strain so much? I have compared it to many other HRMs, including Dumbles, and this thing is magical in comparison. Everyone says its so sloppy inside, (i dont think its that bad actually), is the way its put together part of it? If it was "neater", maybe it would not sound the same? I know Bill said he could build the same circuit and make it sound 20 different ways with the way he laid it out. Maybe thats what it is? This amp has always blown me away, from the very first notes I ever played on one way back in 2001-2002. Dont go telling me every amp I have I say is the best, listen to the clip. Its plain as day there is something special about these amps.

I blv its in the driver...... Ran a 70`s circuit similar n it just anihilated BIG BIG tone smooth as a baby`s butt...e
even my Linkin Park kid fan dug it! lol!

[tag101]

[/quote] I blv its in the driver...... Ran a 70`s circuit similar n it just anihilated BIG BIG tone smooth as a baby`s butt...e
even my Linkin Park kid fan dug it! lol![/quote]


True. It comes down to what amp inspires you the most. The E.Pro has always done that for me. A picture of "the twoRock days".

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