Hi T,
Is this a problem in general with WGS, or specific to the Celestion clone?
Maybe Brian could use a 100W BM to push the WGS & Celestion a bit further.
BTW: http://www.webervst.com/spterm.html#conecry ... a great glossary of speaker terms.
Is this based on a personal experience Tony? No sign of cry with this sample. I can't imagine H2 would be recommending the BL 80 if WGS speakers suffered from cone cry. In fact, I googled WGS and Cone Cry. The ONLY suggestion was one fellow on HC who felt his Vet 30 suffered from cone cry. Probably half a dozen other reviewers specifically mentioned no sign of cone cry. The fool probably overtightened a fastener and bent the basket on his.
"Let's face it, the non HRMs are easier to play, there, I've said it." - Gil Ayan... AND HE"S IN GOOD COMPANY!
I like the highs on the G1265, something about the upper mids in the WGS is not as pleasant. Given the price difference - they hold up very well. My only experiences with WGS has been their CL80 clone. I got some for a song when they introduced them and have not had any problems. I quite like the sound of their CL80 with overdrive tones - not so much with cleans(with a Fender - yes Gibson - no). If I was not settled on speakers, these clips would lead me to try an ET-65. It was a good way to compare them.
Brian - to get the OD tones on the clips, I assume you just hit the overdrive button? It sounds very much like a an actual ham-fisted wanker in the room playing the amp.
I also bought the CL80 and Veteran 30 when WGS started out. Last spring at the amp show I listened to all of their speakers. By first listning to the CL80 I got my ear tuned in, then went to the ET-65. I was badly dissapointed, it sounded harsh in the upper mids and lacked highs compared to the CL80.
My 2x12 open back now has one of each CL80 and V30. Big and fat with nice complex mids and smooth highs. It's my go-to cabinet.
stelligan wrote:
Brian - to get the OD tones on the clips, I assume you just hit the overdrive button? It sounds very much like a an actual ham-fisted wanker in the room playing the amp.
Yep - you can hear the click on the recording when I step on the foot switch to engage OD/PAB. Wanker.. right!
"Let's face it, the non HRMs are easier to play, there, I've said it." - Gil Ayan... AND HE"S IN GOOD COMPANY!
Is this based on a personal experience Tony? No sign of cry with this sample. I can't imagine H2 would be recommending the BL 80 if WGS speakers suffered from cone cry. In fact, I googled WGS and Cone Cry. The ONLY suggestion was one fellow on HC who felt his Vet 30 suffered from cone cry. Probably half a dozen other reviewers specifically mentioned no sign of cone cry. The fool probably overtightened a fastener and bent the basket on his
Let me be clear hear...I think WGS speakers are wonderful..The guy's at WGS know what they are doing and are a Joy to work with...Cone cry is an anomaly that appears at certain volume levels generally pretty loud at certain frequency's..For instance you can take one guitar find the cry point switch to another guitar hit the same note and not get it...Most of the complaints I get come from the pro guy's you know the real killers and hear virtually everything inside the note and go through 4 or 5 guitars a night.....You can get very subtle crys that are easily overlooked...(Personally I think what they are hearing is on certain notes that particular guitar /speaker cone/ magnet combonation resonates odd order harmonics maybe more so than other notes, their ear picks up on it and they label this cone cry for lack of a better word is my theory)...Every speaker has this in one shape or form some worse than others and is much more obvious in a 1 speaker setup.. Maybe some of you speaker builders designers can jump in here and correct the terminology...You may have a speaker that suffers from the anomaly and never find it because you don't play at that volume or do but just don't notice it.. Much of this goes overlooked..If you get in a speaker that obviously has it the guys at WGS will no doubt send another...Good Luck!!
Tony VVT
Structo wrote:
I know that Jim Seavall (Scumback Speakers) has stated before that the Celestions take many, many hours to break in.
I must agree,My 4x12 has the 65s in it and they're just now coming around,been in there for over a year.At first I thought something was wrong with them but after a while it got MUCH better.Never played through the other but its got to be damn good to beat the 65s
Any advice on pairing the et-65 with a emi delta pro 12A? I have one 12A, and like it a lot, looking to add a second speaker but havent decided which to pair with the delta. I can t spring for a 1265, ET65 might be a good compromise but not sure how well it will go with the emi. Any suggestions are much appreciated.
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I ended up buying two 16 ohm EVM 12L's for my 2 x12 and haven't regretted it at all.
What a great speaker.
When I was researching 12" guitar speakers I checked out the Delta and many compared it to the EVM.
But, it only comes in 8 ohms which was a deal breaker for me.
Well I may be prejudiced for the wrong reasons but I have always heard that an amp will sound it's best if you use the OT to it's fullest extent.
In other words if the largest tap is 8 ohms then a 8 ohm speaker or cab will sound better than a 4 ohm speaker or cab.
Something to do with the saturation of the core.
My OT is a 4, 8, 16 and while a 16 ohm cab or speaker would utilize the full secondary winding, I don't have that so I use the 8.
I'm sure somebody will come along now and refute that theory but I remember reading that years ago so I just try to do that.
Another consideration is the damping factor of series versus parallel configurations. I won't dare try to explain it but there's an interesting article here for the savy:
I found the part about connecting two different impedance speakers to two different taps intriguing.
Never heard of that before.
So if you had a 16 ohm speaker and a 8 ohm speaker, you hook the 16 ohm to the 16 ohm tap and the 8 ohm speaker to the 8 ohm tap with their common wires both to the common on the OT.
It says that is the only way they can equally share the power from the OT.
Hmmm.
I have seen amps with the individual OT taps jacked on the back panel.
I think you would connect the 16 ohm speaker to the 8 ohm tap and the 8 ohm speaker to the 4 ohm tap. Which sounds weird but you have a parallel speaker load.
