Lowest price Dumble clones in Europe?

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Re: Lowest price Dumble clones in Europe?

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OK, I'm sorry if I breached any rules here. If the topic is not very TAG style then please delete it but since so many people here in other threads sound very knowledgeable about Dumble amps I just assumed that maybe some of them are building amps for a living and that some of them could be from Europe.
Once again thanks for your comments and sorry if I offended anyone involuntarily.
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metalguy wrote:OK, I'm sorry if I breached any rules here. If the topic is not very TAG style then please delete it but since so many people here in other threads sound very knowledgeable about Dumble amps I just assumed that maybe some of them are building amps for a living and that some of them could be from Europe.
Once again thanks for your comments and sorry if I offended anyone involuntarily.
Sadly low price (your OP) and Dumble don't go together. Nor does cheap shipping as they weigh a ton (my 100w head weighs 20kg, my old 50w black suede combo was well above 30kg).
Parts prices - just chassis, transformers, boards, say, can get you above $300 without even trying. The assembly time is measured in days and that can get expensive.
Your best bet, IMO, may be to order a suitable Ceriatone kit, not the very best parts but certainly usable, the shipping is not crazy if you order without transformers and tubes, and get it assembled by a local competent person/friend.
Most people on here are interested in building from scratch and discussing those builds, that's what TAG is, we come here to learn and improve our skills.
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Thanks for your suggestions but if I'm going to build one I can easily source all parts necessary from european online shops even from one shop only. Doesn't make sense to order anything from the other end of the world. There's a laser cutting/bending/welding shop nearby so the chassis is not an issue either.
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metalguy wrote:Thanks for your suggestions but if I'm going to build one I can easily source all parts necessary from european online shops even from one shop only. Doesn't make sense to order anything from the other end of the world. There's a laser cutting/bending/welding shop nearby so the chassis is not an issue either.
In that case, I will wish you the best of luck. If you do go down that route, please keep us in touch on here, TAG is always interested in new Dumble builds.
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Good luck with your build, and please let us know how much:

1) time you spent on the entire project: from sourcing premium parts, learning how to do the construction and learning to use the tools, to actually building it, and then..... *tweaking it till you think it is good enough*.

2) money is involved: including purchase costs of parts, shipping of said parts, tools you need to purchase, and possibly a trip to a tech to get the product up and running, and maybe another trip to a tech to tweak the amplifier.

Then factor in the costs of rent for the room(s) you work in, insurance, taxes, etc. And a sammich every now and then to keep you going.

I look forward to the report.

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The parts in the USA are over $1000. Older resistors are getting hard to find in the USA but not in EU.

Use either old Fender transformers, new or wind your own (I couldn't).

Have fun in your project and do not hesitate to post more on your build.

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jelle wrote:Good luck with your build, and please let us know how much:

1) time you spent on the entire project: from sourcing premium parts, learning how to do the construction and learning to use the tools, to actually building it, and then..... *tweaking it till you think it is good enough*.

2) money is involved: including purchase costs of parts, shipping of said parts, tools you need to purchase, and possibly a trip to a tech to get the product up and running, and maybe another trip to a tech to tweak the amplifier.

Then factor in the costs of rent for the room(s) you work in, insurance, taxes, etc. And a sammich every now and then to keep you going.

I look forward to the report.

Regards,

jelle

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Ugh I bet I have more money in amp parts than I do in my checking account!!!

OP - I'll ship you an amp. shipping isn't that bad from the east coast
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Shipping is not that much of an issue.
In most EU countries you're looking to at least 25% in customs duties and value added tax charged on top of the goods value AND the shipping cost added.
Every time I see you're offering in the for sale section these marvelous chassis or boxes for what is a very reasonable cost, I almost cry, since when you add the shipping and the taxes, they already get quite expensive.
It is what it is though.

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Good luck with your build, and please let us know how much:
Did I ever say that I'm a totally inexperienced beginner in the electronics field? I have the skills and all the tools I would need. All parts can be sourced only from this site for example:

https://www.tubetown.de/ttstore/

Everyone can easily check how much it will cost including the shipping.
Transformers can be made at the local transformer shop for half the price. Chassis is not an issue at all neither woodwork.
Then factor in the costs of rent for the room(s) you work in, insurance, taxes, etc. And a sammich every now and then to keep you going
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No need to rent anything - I'm doing it on my turf. Also no loans, no mortgages - I don't owe anything to anyone. What I will need to pay the government in taxes is less than 20% and that's in case I decide to report it.
If I decide to do it for a living I'll be selling the cost of my labor only and not generate profit. In this case the whole cost situation becomes very different compared to if you had a registered company operating in rented space, generating profit, paying higher taxes, VAT etc. As I already mentioned the cost of labor, legal conditions of operation and operational costs can be very different even within the EU.
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metalguy wrote:
Transformers can be made at the local transformer shop for half the price.
Which local Transformer shop is that'? Let me know if you decide to do this for a living. I' m
Looking for a guy who can make cheap circuit boards and more labour intensive work. Since you only ask labour and no r&d costs I'm looking forward to use your services.
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metalguy wrote:
Good luck with your build, and please let us know how much:
Did I ever say that I'm a totally inexperienced beginner in the electronics field? I have the skills and all the tools I would need. All parts can be sourced only from this site for example:

https://www.tubetown.de/ttstore/

Everyone can easily check how much it will cost including the shipping.
Transformers can be made at the local transformer shop for half the price. Chassis is not an issue at all neither woodwork.
Then factor in the costs of rent for the room(s) you work in, insurance, taxes, etc. And a sammich every now and then to keep you going
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No need to rent anything - I'm doing it on my turf. Also no loans, no mortgages - I don't owe anything to anyone. What I will need to pay the government in taxes is less than 20% and that's in case I decide to report it.
If I decide to do it for a living I'll be selling the cost of my labor only and not generate profit. In this case the whole cost situation becomes very different compared to if you had a registered company operating in rented space, generating profit, paying higher taxes, VAT etc. As I already mentioned the cost of labor, legal conditions of operation and operational costs can be very different even within the EU.
Good luck, keep us posted on how it turns out.

TM
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No need to rent anything - I'm doing it on my turf. Also no loans, no mortgages - I don't owe anything to anyone. What I will need to pay the government in taxes is less than 20% and that's in case I decide to report it.
If I decide to do it for a living I'll be selling the cost of my labor only and not generate profit. In this case the whole cost situation becomes very different compared to if you had a registered company operating in rented space, generating profit, paying higher taxes, VAT etc. As I already mentioned the cost of labor, legal conditions of operation and operational costs can be very different even within the EU.
Don't get cocky, lets build the amp first.
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Looking for a guy who can make cheap circuit boards and more labour intensive work. Since you only ask labour and no r&d costs I'm looking forward to use your services.
PM me exactly what you need. "Cheap" and "labor intensive" is very general. I can't beat chinese prices though.
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Re: Lowest price Dumble clones in Europe?

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So Metalguy, are you a guy who wants to buy an amp for cheap, or a guy who wants to go into business selling amps for cheap?
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Sounds like he wants to build it for cheap, that is cool.
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