Could HAD clone HAD?

[Structo]

Good one Andy!

What I don't get if some of these stories are true, there seems to be no order in what new amp goes to whoever.

Like the guy here that just got one while other people have waited for years.
I'm sorry, if after 1 year I haven't received my high priced amp, I am going to want my money back.
There are too many quality builders that can build just as good or better amp.

NO AMP FOR YOU!

[Chad]

NO AMP FOR YOU!

Haha I like that one. Amp Nazi No Amp For You

[Max]

There are too many quality builders that can build just as good or better amp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

Cheers

Max

[butwhatif]

No amp for me either, fuck it i'm building my own, again

[Structo]

There are too many quality builders that can build just as good or better amp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

Cheers

Max

If that is a joke I don't get it and if it is a put down, thanks a lot.

[M Fowler]

Tom,

No I think Max was indicating some one else is suffering from the following:

See also
Buyer's remorse is a form of postdecision dissonance.
Choice-supportive bias is a memory bias that makes past choices seem better than they actually were.

Cultural dissonance is dissonance on a larger scale.
Double bind is a communicative situation where a person receives different or contradictory messages.

Doublethink is the act of holding two contradictory beliefs simultaneously and fervently believing both.

Effort justification is the tendency to attribute a greater (than objective) value to an outcome which demands a great effort in order to resolve a dissonance.

The Fox and the Grapes offers a fictional example of cognitive dissonance.

The Great Disappointment of 1844 is an example of cognitive dissonance in a religious context.

Information overload

Psychological immune system

Self-perception theory is a competing theory of attitude change.
Social psychology

True-believer syndrome demonstrates carrying a post-cognitive-dissonance belief regardless of new information

[Structo]

Alright.
I thought he was making fun of my use of two positives, the too and many.

I didn't get that great of grades grammar.

[FUCHSAUDIO]

Think of it as "TGP" syndrome......sigh. "It's the greatest amp I've ever played, but GAS calls......"

I forgot some other concerns: would his amp be complete, or have to be finished by someone else ? Would it be HRM , non HRM, or IDC (I don't care)....If he pays for the amp, but never gets around to making it for himself, then what happens ? Who does he sue ? What if he THINKS about asking himself when he'll finish his own amp ? .

So little time, so many quandries.....

[butwhatif]

Anyone who wanted to try could waste a lot of precious time , and what would be the point of it all, noone wants to be unique anymore. The 60s kinda said it all in this regard- iykwim

[FUCHSAUDIO]

I have evolved from the D-style "clone" path, but you need to be careful: People are not always open to something all that different. They have to relate to something like an improvement over something that proceeded it sometimes.

[JimiB]

I think Max was saying (Max we are all interpreting you - like it
That "There are too many quality builders that can build just as good or better amp" this statment causes an "uncomfortable feeling caused by holding two contradictory ideas simultaneously"
Meaning while its true - it also is true that there is only one HAD and his knowledge and expertise is truly incredible.

[tjauernig]

While I was working at Peavey, I had the opportunity to play 3 Dumbles. One was truly great, the other 2 good, but nothing really special (sorry). But, I do love that D sound. I think it would be impossible for HAD to clone his own stuff. The variables are endless. I don't think anybody can. But, you can develop a certain degree of consistency. Of the 3 Dumbles I've played, one was definately the standout, but the other 2 were still Dumbles. There was enough of the "sound" there to recognize what they were, and they were definately in that realm of consistency I mentioned.

I think his real genious, if it's true or not I don't know, is the "audition" process that one had to go through to get one of these. Maybe that's why they have ended up being used by great players. If a great player plays your amp, it's going to sound great. What better marketing could you have. That being said, the 3 I've played were all owned by the same guy, and purchased way back. He claims that back then (late 70's), he just called up, sent in $2800 (a boat load back then), and the deal was done. Who knows what the real deal is, and does it even matter. They ARE cool sounding amps.

Personally, I think many of the boutique guys that build D-Style amps have greatly improved upon the recipe. That is WAY cool. In that same respect, I think the "Marshall" thing has also been improved upon by many builders, and with way more consistency than Marshall had. It's all good.

I've strayed off topic, but can HAD clone himself? Who cares!

[maxVsf]

to be brief, NO.

I have a client that has many Dumbles, he sent his favorite to Alexander to be copied, and while the copy is a great sounding amp and is very similar to the original it is not Identical and it does not take a trained ear to hear it.

Would we be talking about the amp we were talking about recently, Brandon? The one with reverb? If so, I agree. They were similar but one sounds noticeably better.

[Structo]

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showth ... p?t=658653

[dreric]

So ............... Can sHAD clone HAD for TAG?

I really wish I didn't slow down for car wrecks

Eric