The Dumble at lark street????

[Gibson]

#153 was delivered to the owner in 92 and his order went in sometime during 87.

Quote from the owner:

"The letter in which he informs me that he will build it for me is dated the 22nd of June 1987. The amplifier arrived here in Finland promtly after five (5) years. So I suppose it's built around 1991-1992."

If this is the case, what year would that place #183?

[Gibson]

BTW Hello everyone. I'm new to this forum. I do not work for Gibson, it's just the username i chose being a Gibson fan. I am a musician and not an amp designer/builder although i do mess around with minor tweaks.
Just wanted to say Hi and thanks for alot of the informative posts i've been reading over the last couple of days.

[bluesfendermanblues]

Hi Gibson,
Welcome to this forum, which is truely an absolute gold mine of information, so take your time to get info dumble amps by reading thorugh some of the old posts.

/Claus

[Gibson]

Hi Gibson,
Welcome to this forum, which is truely an absolute gold mine of information, so take your time to get info dumble amps by reading thorugh some of the old posts.

/Claus

Thanks

[dr. who]

Is it EL34 or 6L6?

[les_guitar]

Is it EL34 or 6L6?

EL34

[JImmyD]

Tag, may very well have scored a Holy Grail Dumble example. He deserves it more so then anyone else I know if he did. Kudos to him for having the balls to pull the money out and hand it over in this economy. He chased his dream tone for 10+ years, defended his beliefs, ran all over creation to hear and buy a bucketful of amps and now finally has a rare piece.

That amp seems to have something really special going on based on the four or five clips that I've heard. That said the Emmy Pro does the Politician thing real good. I'm in for $2,100.

The rest is up to him to use it now. The chase is over.

Jim

[sidehatch]

Tag, may very well have scored a Holy Grail Dumble example. He deserves it more so then anyone else I know if he did. Kudos to him for having the balls to pull the money out and hand it over in this economy. He chased his dream tone for 10+ years, defended his beliefs, ran all over creation to hear and buy a bucketful of amps and now finally has a rare piece.

That amp seems to have something really special going on based on the four or five clips that I've heard. That said the Emmy Pro does the Politician thing real good. I'm in for $2,100.

The rest is up to him to use it now. The chase is over.

Jim

I have to slightly disagree about the chase being over.

I for one do not subscribe to the notion that because it was built by Dumble then its the best and will end the tonal search.

Not knocking Tag or his new amp(good player, good tone and amp) but I have heard clips of amps that sounds better(to my ears YMMV) and I know that even to him he'll start hearing something different eventually.

He may have the grail that everyone wants and be a great (but iffy) investment but I am not convinced that amp sounds "better" than a lot of amps such as andy's, henry's,brandons,shads and a few others. The placebo effect of having a real dumble is worthwhile but doesnt make it the "be all end all" to me.

I still dont understand the idea of working on nailing the sound of a particular track when you cannot emulate the room, mics, pre's board and 1000's of varibles.

When you go down that road its a loosing battle. IMHO all you can do is tweak the amp and gear you have to sound as good to you as possible and rool with that. ODS DO have a certain kind of sound that you can't get elsewhere. A clean fender with good speakers and a great pedal is 90% there but there is another 10% in feel,dynamics that a great D style amp has.

I played a concert with my Jazz group last night with the new redplate amp and some delay in the loop. It was the best tone for me I've ever had and none of the guitarists that come to my concert have ever said "hey it sounds like robben or dumble tone"-even though its a great example of the ODS sound. It's not a bad thing to be lumped into that group but I have realized that there is no way to 100% sound like someone else -even if you learn their licks verbatim and buy their gear. Not just becasue "tone is in the fingers" like you always hear people say (which is true to a certain extent). Its just that when you combine that with the recording/mic'ing process and the room you always come up short.

There is NOTHING wrong with trying to cop tone but i think that when you are done you will be left out of a lot of $$$$ and can never be there.

So to sum up, I feel that its great to buy a Dumble for an investment and to enjoy that tone thats coming out of it but there are tons of folks that thing its magical and it will automaticall sound better than ANY other amp from any other maker.

This is just simply untrue. I think builders on this board would agree with me but mainly these are my thoughts aboiut the 1000's of guys on another forum that dream about HAD at night. Credit where its due: without him I'd be playing an amp with a different sound but that one website has turned into a HAD worshipping cult whereas you guys simply acknoweldge the man and do this for the pursuit of knowledge and tone.

Peace!

[dr. who]

It has been worn in which would explain some of the good sound vs the new clones. Give them 10+ yrs and they will have some of that voodoo too.

[pman]

It has been worn in which would explain some of the good sound vs the new clones. Give them 10+ yrs and they will have some of that voodoo too.

thank you! so true!

[FUCHSAUDIO]

It has been worn in which would explain some of the good sound vs the new clones. Give them 10+ yrs and they will have some of that voodoo too.

thank you! so true!

I've stated this countless times before: Compare a new Les Paul reissue to it's 58 or 59 counterpart, or a new Benedetto to an old D'Angelico. New identical Martin to an old equivalent. The factor of age, break in, etc. plays a bigger part than many people think. I think this is true of electronics (speakers, transformers, caps, tubes etc), as well.

[briane]

whereas you guys simply acknoweldge the man and do this for the pursuit of knowledge and tone.

And we would not have any of this info without the man himself. So much can be said, but it really comes down to the recordings, the history, and the legacy. D has absolutely created his place in music history.

The factor of age, break in, etc. plays a bigger part than many people think. I think this is true of electronics (speakers, transformers, caps, tubes etc), as well.

+1. Not just the forming of the whole from a spattered collection of parts (and their burn in), but also some of the mojo the public begins to feel as they gain knowledge that certain equipment was used on certain recordings, gigs, whatever...and the special connection that makes. This will create the future of what is perceived as having that something special.

[Tonegeek]

It has been worn in which would explain some of the good sound vs the new clones. Give them 10+ yrs and they will have some of that voodoo too.

thank you! so true!

I've stated this countless times before: Compare a new Les Paul reissue to it's 58 or 59 counterpart, or a new Benedetto to an old D'Angelico. New identical Martin to an old equivalent. The factor of age, break in, etc. plays a bigger part than many people think. I think this is true of electronics (speakers, transformers, caps, tubes etc), as well.

I did not always believe this when it came to electronics, but I do now. It seems like most instruments including audio electronics start out kind of brittle and soften/mellow with age. Their character develops not unlike that of living organisms as they mature. In the case of amps, it is not just that values change with age; there is something less understood going on as well. If not, you could just copy an old amp using the drifted values and it would sound just like the original, right? It only works to a point...

In my limited experience, I have noticed any guitar, speaker or amp I have built or owned got better sounding the more it was used. There are ways to speed up this process, hence burning in trannies, caps, speakers, etc.