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Re: Ceriatone Overtone S&M Special

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dogears wrote:Gil, I have no idea why we are going back and forth. Is there some reason?
I am not sure why you continue with your end of the bargain, perhaps you want to tell whoever may ask you. As for me, the reason this makes me feel like chiming in every time it comes up, quite simply stated, is that I can tell a similar story to the one you continue to dwell on about Ceriatione, except the names of the characters would be different. In the previous story, no one went on what appears to be a deliberate campaign to depict an amp compay as "less than" because one person decided he wanted to improve the product he endorsed. I happen to be one guy who facilitated this soul in search of different tonal options much of the material that allowed him to move to "greener pastures," and he later went on to modify others' amps after he'd "improved" the original product. In the entire process, Scott, I never ceased to treat anyone with dignity.

I hope this makes my view clear enough to you, but if you prefer that I ellaborate some more, I can try to do that until the cows come home. The most interesting thing to me about Nik's case is that here, once again, it was I who facilitated the bulk of the information that allowed him -- and hundreds of others, some commercial outfits as well -- to build amps. [ and I am referring to the entire ODS #124 picture set, parts 1 and 2, which I took and posted here ]

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Agreed.....

But I do think you are misreading my posts. Quite a bit different scenario and that person has certainly paid it forward.

In this thread I did not say anything that warrented your response. My comments were all reasonable and in no way slagging anyones product.

We'll just drop it..... k?
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dogears wrote:Agreed.....
Cool.
dogears wrote:But I do think you are misreading my posts.
I can only give you my interpretation of what you put forth, along with the notion that perhaps there's a chance you may underestimate the power of what we can do by just running our mouths here.
dogears wrote:Quite a bit different scenario and that person has certainly paid it forward.
Prefaced with an "in my opinion," sure. Otherwise, there might be another 6.7 billion opinions different to yours out there...
dogears wrote: We'll just drop it.....
Cheers,

Gil
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Hi Gil
I still remember when you were building your first D clone many years ago, and discussing LC's tweed Dumble. You and Bill Morgan really piqued my interest in Dumbles. If it wasn't for you, I probably would have never shot the pix of #40 and posted the pix on the net. It really floors me when I see that people actually built amps from those lousy pix I took! LOL

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I'm trying to put some pieces together. Are the S&M mods yours, Scott?

When I had a question, Scott asked for my number and called me back immediately. It was really very cool of him to do and really helped me get through a step.

Same with Gil. Gil has always been responsive and willing to help. I wouldn't be nearing the completion of my amp if it weren't for them.
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My amp hates when it's parents fight. :D Quick subject change to avoid further tears from within. Anybody going to this?
http://calendar.northjersey.com/englewo ... a-kaukonen
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Robin Ford? :?
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I noticed that too. Hope it doesn't mean he'll be using a Univibe and wah wah.
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I let a friend borrow my OTS and FX loop for a couple of weeks. He is a real good player and tone slut. He was astounded at how good the amp sounded with a variety of guitars.

He ended up ordering the S&M version which he will build and tune himself. This clip where the tele is played first pretty much sealed the deal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ4SDQWk ... re=related

He will likely order the "tweak" parts as well. It will be interesting to see where his amp winds up in the months ahead.

Jim
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JamesO wrote:I'm trying to put some pieces together. Are the S&M mods yours, Scott?
Just to answer your question, the "new" S&M amp is basically Nik's original version, pre-Scott analysis and critique.

Kinda like the new Coke/old Coke phenomenon. 8)
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Kinda like the new Coke/old Coke phenomenon.
Pepsi convincingly beat Coke classic in sip tests.
New Coke convincingly beat Pepsi in sip tests.
So the conclusion (from the sip tests) was that New Coke must be better than Pepsi and way better than Coke Classic (just known as 'Coke' at the time).

Unfortunately...none of us drink soda in 3 oz. servings at a time in tiny sips from Dixie cups. :D

Back to regularly scheduled programming.
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fullerplast wrote:
JamesO wrote:I'm trying to put some pieces together. Are the S&M mods yours, Scott?
Just to answer your question, the "new" S&M amp is basically Nik's original version, pre-Scott analysis and critique.

Kinda like the new Coke/old Coke phenomenon. 8)
Fullerpast,

Glad to see you on board.......I saw the banning on TGP....asked what that was about....but no answer.

Much cooler crowd here, some issues with C-TONE........but no big deal!

All D-Derivatives are great!
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makrisp wrote:
Fullerpast,

Glad to see you on board.......I saw the banning on TGP....asked what that was about....but no answer.

Much cooler crowd here, some issues with C-TONE........but no big deal!

All D-Derivatives are great!
Thanks for the welcome. I find there are cool people and not-so-cool people everywhere...it's just the ratio that changes. :wink:

As for TGP, people keep asking me what happened but you know about as much as I do about it. This was the thread: "banned" and the topic was hypocrisy of a particular amp owner. I was banned 10 minutes after this thread was closed. No posts were removed or edited so you can come to your own conclusion. I've come to mine. In over 5 years and 5000 posts I've never received a single infraction or warning. When I asked Brian and Scott about it, Scott didn't respond and Brian said they didn't have to use the infraction system but could ban somebody for whatever reason they wanted. He acknowledged I broke no rules. To say the rules were applied unevenly there is an understatement.

But anyway, that was there and this is not TGP. It's good to stay focused on the circuits here.
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Looked at that thread (I think I may have posted in it...early on) and just...wow. If you got banned and LVC didn't then that appears to be a huge injustice...if anybody deserved anything it was LVC (but based on what I saw nobody deserved much of anything imo).

I'm not sure why it's such a hot topic...but I really think it's just because they're cheap. If he charged an arm and a leg he'd still get criticism (all amp companies do) but nowhere near as much imo. I'm not really a 'fan' or supporter of Nik/Ceriatone but I sometimes feel I'm seeing such an injustice that I have to.
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Wow, I hadn't seen how that turned out.
You were banned for that?
It seems the least they could do was justify it to you.
I wonder why Scott P wouldn't tell you anything?

I do know that if you offend the wrong person there, they will cry to Brian or Scott P and you will get cited.

I typed LOL one time because of a price that a guy was asking for a set of pickups and received a warning...... :lol:


I've received two warnings over the years there. Each time I kind of chuckled and said, whatever.

TGP is a funny place, rather clicky, if you know what I mean.

I didn't really see what you did was wrong.
I don't want to carry that debate over to this forum because I respect Andy and his amps and we have covered the Ceriatone thing here many times.

Sorry you got banned Fullerpast, but the time will march on.

For some reason when Ceriatone gets mentioned a lot of feathers get ruffled. Possibly because of his naming of his amps and also due to the low prices he sells them for.
Tom

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