markmalin wrote:I'll give it a try up around 3:00. With the gain at 12:00, isn't it total "fuzz"? Like I mentioned to Stelligan, I am trying to get a Dumble overdrive vs sort of that Marshall fuzz tone. I'm going to take his suggestions and yours and do some messing around with the OD trimmer and volume settings. Also, I think I'll go for the differen caps and the plate resistors and breath a little more lead smoke
Thanks again for all the tips, guys. Keep 'em coming
Mark.
It should NEVER be fuzz. Listen to the clips on this site, the sweet singing OD you hear is with the gain at about 12-1:00 and the drive about the same, trimmer at 2-3:00... your mileage may vary.
The goal is to completley saturate the OD stages. Dumble claimed that by putting them AFTER the preamp it retained the clarity.
Bob-I wrote:
It should NEVER be fuzz. Listen to the clips on this site, the sweet singing OD you hear is with the gain at about 12-1:00 and the drive about the same, trimmer at 2-3:00... your mileage may vary.
The goal is to completley saturate the OD stages. Dumble claimed that by putting them AFTER the preamp it retained the clarity.
Thanks. Very good information -- I really appreciate it.
Mark.
"...there are flying v's and then there are the ones shaped like peanuts..." - my son at age 9
I believe mine always came as 1/2 watt using those #s. Hmmm....
I just checked, you want the RN65D for 1/2 watt. That's the mil spec. Other rating methods would classify these as 1W. I believe this is based on the heat generated at the dissipation.
Bob-I wrote:
I just checked, you want the RN65D for 1/2 watt. That's the mil spec. Other rating methods would classify these as 1W. I believe this is based on the heat generated at the dissipation.
What he said... FWIW I just checked my product bags and their part numbers are listed as "C", but 1/2 watt?! I have such a high need to be right
Bob-I wrote:
I just checked, you want the RN65D for 1/2 watt. That's the mil spec. Other rating methods would classify these as 1W. I believe this is based on the heat generated at the dissipation.
What he said... FWIW I just checked my product bags and their part numbers are listed as "C", but 1/2 watt?! I have such a high need to be right
Sorry for the misinformation.
Dave
Thanks, both of you guys. Now I'm totally confused <laughs>. I think I'll just call Mouser today.
Actually, I couldn't find 150K or 220K, either. Their website's kind of frustrating to use unless you know the part# you need, IMHO.
Mark.
"...there are flying v's and then there are the ones shaped like peanuts..." - my son at age 9
Actually, I couldn't find 150K or 220K, either. Their website's kind of frustrating to use unless you know the part# you need, IMHO.
Look at the numbers above...they are actually 221K, 182K, and 121K. The 150K is actually 150K. I went through the same thing when I bought them. I don't know why we have to get 182K instead of 180K but that's what I had to do. Could never find those exact values (i.e. 120K, 180K, and 220K).
Actually, I couldn't find 150K or 220K, either. Their website's kind of frustrating to use unless you know the part# you need, IMHO.
Look at the numbers above...they are actually 221K, 182K, and 121K. The 150K is actually 150K. I went through the same thing when I bought them. I don't know why we have to get 182K instead of 180K but that's what I had to do. Could never find those exact values (i.e. 120K, 180K, and 220K).
For the record, I called this morning. I guess 71-RN65D-F is the 1/2 watt. Now I forget what they said... but I think the RN60C is 1 W?
Anyhow, yes, I ordered the 221K's and 150K's (my amp doesn't currently use 120K or 180K). Also they couldn't get the PS series Orange Drops, so I put in an order for them through CE Dist. So... now I wait.
Meanwhile, I turned the OD trimmer up to 3:00 and at low volumes it's pretty fuzzy (picture the old piece-of-wax-paper-over-a-comb "kazoo" trick -- if you're as old as me . But this was at low volumes, so tonight I'll do some tweaking at real volumes (before anyone else gets home). I'm guessing it will be a lot better louder.
Mark.
"...there are flying v's and then there are the ones shaped like peanuts..." - my son at age 9
Also, and I hope someone can set me straight on this if I'm wrong...it seems to me that when done right...the ODS is the perfect blend of fuzz and distortion. To my ear, 'distortion' and 'fuzz' are two very different types of overdrive. Each has good qualities and in the best examples of overdriven D-tone I almost always hear a blend of the two.
To give an example of each:
A Soldano SLO is very much 'distortion' with very little 'fuzz'.
A Fuzz Face is very much 'fuzz' with very little 'distortion' (even though it's distorted as hell...by 'distortion' I'm referring to a specific type of OD).
Fischerman wrote:Also, and I hope someone can set me straight on this if I'm wrong...it seems to me that when done right...the ODS is the perfect blend of fuzz and distortion. To my ear, 'distortion' and 'fuzz' are two very different types of overdrive. Each has good qualities and in the best examples of overdriven D-tone I almost always hear a blend of the two.
To give an example of each:
A Soldano SLO is very much 'distortion' with very little 'fuzz'.
A Fuzz Face is very much 'fuzz' with very little 'distortion' (even though it's distorted as hell...by 'distortion' I'm referring to a specific type of OD).
You know, it's almost like on my amp, the distortion is masking (hiding) any "tone" that's underneath. Today I've been listening to Brownnote's stock D'Lite 22 mp3's and I really notice a difference. Hopefully the PS caps will help, but I'm wondering if I have an oscillation. Really makes me want to get a sope and see what I can discover.
"...there are flying v's and then there are the ones shaped like peanuts..." - my son at age 9
markmalin wrote:I'll give it a try up around 3:00. With the gain at 12:00, isn't it total "fuzz"? Like I mentioned to Stelligan, I am trying to get a Dumble overdrive vs sort of that Marshall fuzz tone. I'm going to take his suggestions and yours and do some messing around with the OD trimmer and volume settings. Also, I think I'll go for the differen caps and the plate resistors and breath a little more lead smoke
Thanks again for all the tips, guys. Keep 'em coming
Mark.
It should NEVER be fuzz. Listen to the clips on this site, the sweet singing OD you hear is with the gain at about 12-1:00 and the drive about the same, trimmer at 2-3:00... your mileage may vary.
The goal is to completley saturate the OD stages. Dumble claimed that by putting them AFTER the preamp it retained the clarity.
Bob-I,
Just a quick note -- I was messing with V2 lead dress and discovered one of the snubbers had a cold solder joint. I resoldered this and it's sounding much better now. The OD isn't so harsh, and that "squashing" compression on the OD notes is gone, so the lack of one snubber may have been allowing some oscillation.
I also noticed that if I turn up the OD trimmer past 1:00, and have the input Vol up around 1:00 and back way off on the Les Paul's volume controls, I can get a much sweeter, slightly overdriven tone. Very much more dynamic in that the harder you dig in, the more it distorts.
I'm still waiting for the PS caps and look forward to the change they'll bring. The one thing I'm uncertain about is, with the OD trimmer up so high, you only need the OD gain on 8:00 (just on) and it gets overdriven already. Is this normal? (just to qualify that question, this is with the guitar volume on 10).
Mark.
"...there are flying v's and then there are the ones shaped like peanuts..." - my son at age 9
FWIW - This weekend the Orange Drop PS series caps and (only two of) the Vishay/Dale resistors arrived in the mail. I swapped out the parts and the amp is a lot brighter, crisper and more articulate. I'll have to get time to post a couple recordings. I was suprized at the difference, though.
I also removed the 100 Ohm dropping resistor off the B+ supply after reading that this not being ideal in a class A/B because the voltage is not constant (so the voltage drop varies as the power tube voltages vary). Better to do this on a class A. To drop the voltages, then, I used a 120K FET resistor and went to a 4.7 K for the first resistor in the dropping string. This put the pre-amp plates in the 188-199 range with the 6V6 plates at 444.
The other thing is, I installed a different Heyboer OT (8/16 at 8K and 4/8 at 4K) which now allows me to run my 16 Ohm Celestion G12-75T with 6V6's. I know that's not the "ideal" Celestion, but it's what I have for now, and I think it has a different tone than the Delta Pro 12A I had in there. Maybe a tad thinner? But a nice tone, none the less.
So now it has that crisp quality and I think the tone is getting better. I still find that if I have the OD gain up too much, it's as though the distortion overpowers the tonal characteristics of the amp -- I mean, clean it sounds really sweet, and in OD if I pick lightly it sounds sweet, but picking too hard, or driving the OD too hard, it sort of masks the nice tone with overdrive. It's much (MUCH) closer now, and maybe I just need more time playing the amp to learn it. I do notice that if I drop the Input Volume and up the gain on the OD the sweet tone comes through better, with the distortion.
One thing -- in clean, if I play multiple strings (especially a Maj 7 chord) there's almost a very fain distortion as the notes fade. Could this be a bad solder joint? Not enough filtering in the power supply?
Mark.
"...there are flying v's and then there are the ones shaped like peanuts..." - my son at age 9
