C-lator vs Fuchs Verbrator

[daniboy79]

Is the C-tone amp's master before the loop send as in the typical ODS arrangement? If so, where i that set? Maybe you are overdriving the TC Drip.

The first knob on the left(Drive) is the signal into the FX send. I backed this right down and it made no difference. Thanks for the advise.

[daniboy79]

I have a Ceriatone OTS FM50 ME and a C-Lator in the FX loop. I am currently using both a TC Electonic Drip for Reverb, then a Xvive Memory Delay(in that order) in the C-LATOR FX send. I prefer the amps drive sound with my Reverb/Delay in the loop. The only issue I'm having is that there are definite noise/artifacts that present themselves with the Reverb engaged and playing(no artifacts when I don't play the guitar). I have tried lowering the input level to the Reverb with the C-Lator Drive knob, but no difference. I have removed the delay and left only the Reverb also with no luck. I then tried running the Reverb pedal with a battery as opposed to the 9V power supply, without luck. I have also tried the Reverb pedal into the front of the amp and there are no noise/artifacts, so the pedal itself doesn't appear to be faulty. I then tried another Reverb pedal(Biyang Tri-verb) in the loop, and it works well with no noise/artifacts. I prefer the sound of the TC Electonic Drip by miles, so I'm really bummed that this problem is present.

Here's my current board

I'm really jealous of the Klon! I've got the way huge green rhino and love the meat on it. I did buy the Electro Harmonix soul food as it's supposedly one of the better Klon Clones out there and its only 100 bucks.

Nice rig all around!

~Phil

Thanks! The Klon is actually a Ceriatone Centura in an eBay enclosure, hehe ...it don't get any better or closer to the real deal IMO.

[10thTx]

Is there a way to mod the C-lator to have a parallel effects? I have aone ready to build to it would be great to do this.

https://ampgarage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=21205

https://ampgarage.com/forum/download/fi ... &mode=view

Maybe something useful in this for you?

With respect, 10thtx

[ayan]

Is the C-tone amp's master before the loop send as in the typical ODS arrangement? If so, where i that set? Maybe you are overdriving the TC Drip.

The first knob on the left(Drive) is the signal into the FX send. I backed this right down and it made no difference. Thanks for the advise.

Weird that you have a noise problem only with the TC reverb. Now, looking at your set up, the Dumbleator is far from the amp. The connection between the amp’s preamp our and the D-lator input is hi impedance, so you’re bound to be losing some highs, signal level and signal to noise ratio. Also, the Dumbleator’s output to the power amp in is high impedance as well. Maybe, as an experiment, you could try placing the Dumbleator close to the amp and connected to it via short cables. That is the way it will work best, and I Wonder if that will help. Lastly, is the pedal making physical contact with the Dumbleator chassis? If so, isolate the two and see what happens.

[daniboy79]

Is the C-tone amp's master before the loop send as in the typical ODS arrangement? If so, where i that set? Maybe you are overdriving the TC Drip.

The first knob on the left(Drive) is the signal into the FX send. I backed this right down and it made no difference. Thanks for the advise.

Weird that you have a noise problem only with the TC reverb. Now, looking at your set up, the Dumbleator is far from the amp. The connection between the amp’s preamp our and the D-lator input is hi impedance, so you’re bound to be losing some highs, signal level and signal to noise ratio. Also, the Dumbleator’s output to the power amp in is high impedance as well. Maybe, as an experiment, you could try placing the Dumbleator close to the amp and connected to it via short cables. That is the way it will work best, and I Wonder if that will help. Lastly, is the pedal making physical contact with the Dumbleator chassis? If so, isolate the two and see what happens.

Those cables I'm connecting between the amp and the C-LATOR are some fancy RG142 cables cut to about 5 ft(which gives about 200pf of capacitance per 5ft length as per Robben Ford's taste). I also elevated the Reverb pedal from the C-Lator to try to decouple it, with no change. I'll try tomorrow to get some recorded samples of the noise and link it to here. Thanks ever so much everyone. Sorry to hijack the thread.

[rogb]

If you can get one on easy return (in case you don't like it) , I would definitely try a Suhr MinMix, this will allow you use your effects in parallel via the D Lator. You can run TC HOF and FB with kill-dry so 100% wet. It might allow more uneffected signal through? Anyway, I had one in my 100w rig and it sounded just fantastic, undigitised guitar signal with the effects "layered" on top. It was magic!

https://www.suhr.com/electronics/tone-t ... inimix-ii/

Hey Rog, how's it going?

This is interesting because I've been using wet/dry recently as anything you put in the loop or in front of the amp changes the tone. I think what Roger mentions is a great idea and I'd like to try that as it cut's down on gear but essentially it's the same thing, keep your amp sound unadulterated and blend some 100% wet FX with it.


Is there a way to mod the C-lator to have a parallel effects? I have aone ready to build to it would be great to do this.


M

Hey Marcus, good to hear from you! Of course, I'm over in Helsinki riding my new CX bike build through the forest trails Not only amps but bikes, gotta build 'em! I also put together a Precision Guitar LP style modelled after our old buddy Matt Backer's lovely axe which I had the honour of taking measurements/ readings from. Finally got a massive necked (maybe too massive lol) Lester that I love! Wound a pair of humbuckers, it took a few winds to get near to a PAF sound that I liked but I got close enough.
Actually when I had my MiniMix, I ran the TC G Major through it, but the TC pedals would sound just as good I would think. It was nice just to add a little effect via the mix control, so natural sounding!

[norburybrook]

Rog,

so no Dumbleator just the mini mix ?

Enjoy your new life, sounds great London can be hard work



M

[rogb]

Rog,

so no Dumbleator just the mini mix ?

Enjoy your new life, sounds great London can be hard work



M

Sadly back in August... moving (again)...
No mate I always used the Dlator, to me it was an essential part of the rig. It added one knob control from the Master, extra brights if needed, and that little bit of smooth compression and gain. It's the secret sauce for me, the amp on its own always felt a bit "fast" if that makes sense, the Dlator seemed to slow the response down a bit.

[rogb]

If you can get one on easy return (in case you don't like it) , I would definitely try a Suhr MinMix, this will allow you use your effects in parallel via the D Lator. You can run TC HOF and FB with kill-dry so 100% wet. It might allow more uneffected signal through? Anyway, I had one in my 100w rig and it sounded just fantastic, undigitised guitar signal with the effects "layered" on top. It was magic!

https://www.suhr.com/electronics/tone-t ... inimix-ii/

Hey Rog, how's it going?

This is interesting because I've been using wet/dry recently as anything you put in the loop or in front of the amp changes the tone. I think what Roger mentions is a great idea and I'd like to try that as it cut's down on gear but essentially it's the same thing, keep your amp sound unadulterated and blend some 100% wet FX with it.


Is there a way to mod the C-lator to have a parallel effects? I have aone ready to build to it would be great to do this.


M

I tried the parallel mod way back as it seemed a great solution , it didn't work with my setup, I couldn't dial it in right, so I removed it and got the MiniMix and never looked back!

[Progear]

• Is there a way to modify the c-lator with a switch for serial or Parallel ?

[10thTx]

Look about 8 posts up for a TAG link that may have useful information about switching between parallel and series FX