JM Sig 50 watt build with a hum issue

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Heisenberg
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JM Sig 50 watt build with a hum issue

Post by Heisenberg »

I decided to take a stab at my own take on JM Sig schematic by Aaron and am having an issue with hum that have had me stumped for over a week. I built a 50 watt 6l6 version. The goal was to get the plates around 425 so I can use 6v6 as well.

Any help from fellow TAGers who have built from this schematic is greatly appreciated!


Symptoms:

1. A substantial amount of hum when increasing MV and Rev Receiver. With Rev Receiver at 0 and the Master is all the way up there is slight oscillation, some blue glow appears in the tubes. Turn Rev Receiver up just a bit and the noise / glow intensifies- The signal immediately starts to fizzle.


Original changes from original schematic to note:

1. Bias Resistors changed from 3.3k to 1.5k and 27k to 15k to get me in 6L6 Bias range.

2. No NFB on V1b (I decided to add this on last night- makes the over all output much quieter- hum still there)

3a. No Mid switch - wired .002/.001 in series ~670pf. 3b. dropped .001 down to 330pF.

4. No Deep Switch

5. No Effects loop .02 to master wiper

*6. Used all non polar Mundorf caps for cathode bypass on V1 through V4. I have done this before in a few amps with no issues.

7. 4.7k GNF resistor to 4 ohm tap. 16 ohm tap is un needed and tied off. Seems to work fine in my #183.

8. B+1 changed from 110uF (220/220) to 50uf (100/100). Typical for 50w builds. Added 220k 3x MO Resistors across the 100uf caps + 150k 3w MO from B+5 to ground. Decreases a few values in the drop string to get V1 in a good spot.

9. Changed Screen Filter B+2 from 22uF to 47uf.

10. Added 22uf cap to B+2A for reverb transformer.

11. Removed Contour circuit as it seemed to be contributing to the noise. (this did not seem to be the problem)

12. Added .0047 cap from receiver wiper to ground. This took away the oscillation with Master at 10.

Specs and Readings:

PT - Edcore
305-0-50-305 @300ma
6.3V @ 7A
5V @ 4A

The PT is center

OT - Edcore
45W
5K - 4/8/16

Choke- Hammond 4H 90ma

Rev Transformer - Mojotone Fender style

V1a -
1 - 189
2
3 - 1.6
V1b
6 - 188
7
8 1.6


V2a
1 - 279
2
3 - 2.1
V2b
6 - 279
7
8 - 2.1

V3a/b
1/6 -410
2/7
3/8- 4.1


V4a
1 -209
2
3 -1.68
V b
6 -203
7 -
8 -1.63

V a
1 - 301
2 -
3 - 59
V b
6 -296
7 -
8 - 59


V6
1 - Tied to 8
2 -Heater
3. 430
4. 431
5. -44
6 -NC/Grid resistor harness
7 -Heater
8 - 31.9mA

V7
1 - Tied to 8
2 -Heater
3 -430
4-431
5-
6 -NC/Grid resistor harness
7 -Heater
8 - 31.6mA

B+
1- 436
2- 433
2b - 419
3- 413
4-300
5-200

Assumptions:

The hum is drastically minimized by removing V5, the PI tube. My voltages look to be ok. My lead dress isn't sloppy. I have reflown every joint on the boards, pots, and pins twice (tubes out of course). I have replaced all coax wires. Measured every capacitor. Tried 3 separate matched pairs of 6L6GCs and nearly 2 dozed preamp tubes (voltages above are from whatever was in there last)

My next moves were going to be:

1. Desolder CT/tie off and add 100ohm resistors to the heaters as an artificial center tap.

2. Ask amp garage for some insight :)
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Structo
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Re: JM Sig 50 watt build with a hum issue

Post by Structo »

Not familiar with that schematic.
Can you post it?

Pictures of the amp?

Yes try the artificial heater CT with two 100R resistors to ground.

V1 voltages look good.

Your V2 and V3 plate voltages are high.

I see you have the 150K resistor to simulate the FET circuit load, good.

You can adjust the dropping resistors on B+2, B+3, etc

Have you figured out if the hum is 60Hz (heaters) or 120Hz (power supply)?

Do you have a coil in your supply or a resistor?


Can you denote what each tube does?

V1 clean

V2 OD

V3 PI

and so on

V1 Clean should be around 190v.

V2 OD should be around 200V

PI tube should have around 300v
Tom

Don't let that smoke out!
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