Joe Bonnamassa on the Peter Lerche Dumble You Tube Clip

[markusw]

BrentM,

That is my favorite Robben video!

Great song and the feedback is cool.

Soundwise I like this Tele clip even better. Seems to be from the same Rockpalast gig.
Of course just a matter of taste.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex7oYrBM ... re=related

[Structo]

Good one!

[Mr Dumble]

That is what a lot of people don't understand, that the Dumbleator is pretty essential to get the tone.
It allows you to put the gain and master controls where they need to be.

Hey Structo, hope all is well!

Its all subjective of course, but 183 and other Dumbles I have played do not need a Dumbleator to get great tones down to even whisper volumes. I have clips of 183 at below talking levels, and up at stage volumes, and you would be hard pressed to tell them apart. Of course how the speaker reacts changes things a bit, but at least with the speakers and cabs i own and have tried, its pretty minimal. For ME, the Dumbleators just add a bit of compression, and take away some dynamics. Its nice to have one for that option, but IMO, the best Dumble tones are without a Dulator. YMMV and all of that.

[boldaslove6789]

That is what a lot of people don't understand, that the Dumbleator is pretty essential to get the tone.
It allows you to put the gain and master controls where they need to be.

Hey Structo, hope all is well!

Its all subjective of course, but 183 and other Dumbles I have played do not need a Dumbleator to get great tones down to even whisper volumes. I have clips of 183 at below talking levels, and up at stage volumes, and you would be hard pressed to tell them apart. Of course how the speaker reacts changes things a bit, but at least with the speakers and cabs i own and have tried, its pretty minimal. For ME, the Dumbleators just add a bit of compression, and take away some dynamics. Its nice to have one for that option, but IMO, the best Dumble tones are without a Dulator. YMMV and all of that.

TAG,

Indeed, it it all very subjective of course. I have never played the real Dumble 183 up close and personal. I can tell you though that I strongly prefer the use of a D-lator in the loop of my Quinn (and have in other straight ODS 183 clones I've built/owned). I think it is a crucial piece of gear for interfacing time based effects to the amp if you need Reverb/Delay like many of us. It does add compression and certainly adds more "depth" to the sound of the amp, whilst smoothing out the Overdrive, but many of us prefer these added effects. The real #183 might have not sounded inconsistent when turning the Master Vol down to low levels but just about every D-style amp I've owned/played sounded better with the master Up and using a D-lator to get the Overall volume down, without changing the sound of the amp. Its all subjective though....

Hope you're loving your Quinn just as much as I am

[Mr Dumble]

That is what a lot of people don't understand, that the Dumbleator is pretty essential to get the tone.
It allows you to put the gain and master controls where they need to be.

Hey Structo, hope all is well!

Its all subjective of course, but 183 and other Dumbles I have played do not need a Dumbleator to get great tones down to even whisper volumes. I have clips of 183 at below talking levels, and up at stage volumes, and you would be hard pressed to tell them apart. Of course how the speaker reacts changes things a bit, but at least with the speakers and cabs i own and have tried, its pretty minimal. For ME, the Dumbleators just add a bit of compression, and take away some dynamics. Its nice to have one for that option, but IMO, the best Dumble tones are without a Dulator. YMMV and all of that.

TAG,

Indeed, it it all very subjective of course. I have never played the real Dumble 183 up close and personal. I can tell you though that I strongly prefer the use of a D-lator in the loop of my Quinn (and have in other straight ODS 183 clones I've built/owned). I think it is a crucial piece of gear for interfacing time based effects to the amp if you need Reverb/Delay like many of us. It does add compression and certainly adds more "depth" to the sound of the amp, whilst smoothing out the Overdrive, but many of us prefer these added effects. The real #183 might have not sounded inconsistent when turning the Master Vol down to low levels but just about every D-style amp I've owned/played sounded better with the master Up and using a D-lator to get the Overall volume down, without changing the sound of the amp. Its all subjective though....

Hope you're loving your Quinn just as much as I am

I really need to restate, because I always take this for granted. I ALWAYS use a TREX roomate in the "loop". (Pre out-in) Now I think this acts as some kind of mini Dumblator, but no matter what I have tried, the TREX with no Dulator gives me the best tone for what "I" like. I have tried lots of delay and verbs into the dulator, but for me, it always thins and compresses the tone. The Trex does a TINY bit, but less than the Dulator. I have both the new Roomate and the older. The new one is more transparent and gives the most dynamics, but the older is a bit smoother due to compression, and has a certain "tone" that I like. Both are GREAT!

[boldaslove6789]

I really need to restate, because I always take this for granted. I ALWAYS use a TREX roomate in the "loop". (Pre out-in) Now I think this acts as some kind of mini Dumblator, but no matter what I have tried, the TREX with no Dulator gives me the best tone for what "I" like. I have tried lots of delay and verbs into the dulator, but for me, it always thins and compresses the tone. The Trex does a TINY bit, but less than the Dulator. I have both the new Roomate and the older. The new one is more transparent and gives the most dynamics, but the older is a bit smoother due to compression, and has a certain "tone" that I like. Both are GREAT!

Yeah I'm pretty sure the T-Rex Roomate has Buffered In's/Outs, so it won't muck up the impedance when in an FX Loop. While its not a Dumbleator, its still buffered AFAIK so it may give the same effect, just not as predominant as a Dumbleator.

[Mac Daddy]

T Rex works for me , I also have a Bludo Loope-aLator,PCM 91 Lex reverb & a TC2290

I like the plug in and play T Rex has to offer

[talbany]

but for me, it always thins and compresses the tone.

Tag
If you run the master on the amp up say around 7 this should drive the buffer/cathode follower into generating some nice fat 2nd order harmonics, thickening the tone along with the compression thang!!
This is how it should work..IMO The d-lator does change the phase with relation to the input maybe what you are hearing or there could be a phase issue with the effect..IIf it's phase of the dlator you could go with a reversed speaker cable..

Tony

[Mr Dumble]

but for me, it always thins and compresses the tone.

Tag
If you run the master on the amp up say around 7 this should drive the buffer/cathode follower into generating some nice fat 2nd order harmonics, thickening the tone along with the compression thang!!
This is how it should work..IMO The d-lator does change the phase with relation to the input maybe what you are hearing or there could be a phase issue with the effect..IIf it's phase of the dlator you could go with a reversed speaker cable..

Tony

I have tried all kinds of combinations and Dulators, including an actual Dumbleator into several different Dumbles at Ultrasound, Bludlators into Bludos, twoRocks version into TwoRocks, Quinns into Quinns, and many built in varietys. They all seem to do basically the same thing, and I guess i can see why some people would like that tone for some things, but for me, it takes away far more than it adds. oddly, I do not find it helping with low volume playing either. When you turn up the amp and cut it back with a Dulator, it sounds and feels bloated and congested to me. I would be interested in hearing what you thought of a Dumble with just a TRex roomate in the pre out in. I think you would really dig it, although it does not compress as much. Some guys seem to really dig more compression than others, and I am not one of them! Its all personal taste, and what end result you are looking for. Here is a clip of 183 with just a Trex. Smooth as glass, and the low notes are focused and tight to me, with chirp at exactly the places Ford gets it. The only D style amp I can say is smoother is the TwoRock emerald Pro. That remains the smoothest amp I have ever heard, but does not have quite as open a quality as the best Dumbles I have played.

http://www.soundclick.com/player/single ... i&newref=1


VERY GOOD!

[talbany]

Tag
I am confused Your first post said it sounded thin (which sounded like it could be a phase issue) Your recent post you now say it's bloated.. So I don't know!!
I have heard many clips now of 183 and your right!!..What I hear in the OD side is the single note runs are fairly smooth and thick but the lower wound strings can sound at times to me a bit hairy and fuzzy when chording and double stoppin (250k drive and level pots adds lower mids).. I am not saying it's a bad thing but I wouldn't exactly call it smooth thing..Just my opinion.. Maybe the T Rex helps that..183 is a VERY COOL amp for sure!!
You can really hear it in these clips with the hollows

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGGkAvgl_hI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfbcDDuHHYw

All The Best!!

Tony

[pamaz67]

Funny.
Peter Lerche's tone is the best one I've heard from a youtube clip.(personal opinion for sure)
It's not the normal Robben style thing, but I like it very much.
Furthermore, just like mr lerche, I love these amps in the jazz position.
Once again, who will explain Bonamassa and his fellows, that it's just a matter of personal taste?

Paolo

[Max]

Once again, who will explain Bonamassa and his fellows, that it's just a matter of personal taste?

Paolo, IMO John Cleese would perhaps be a good choice. Isn't he always brilliant when analyzing and explaining the most complicated matters of human life?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sD_8prYOxo

Have Fun!

Max

[pamaz67]

Hello Max!
John Cleese is a Genius.
Soccer is played like Jazz!

[Structo]

No offense Tag, because I know #183 is a very good and capable amp, but you always had a lot of reverb (too much IMHO) on it which takes away from it, plus the recordings were never that great as Scott has mentioned.

[Mr Dumble]

Tag
I am confused Your first post said it sounded thin (which sounded like it could be a phase issue) Your recent post you now say it's bloated.. So I don't know!!
I have heard many clips now of 183 and your right!!..What I hear in the OD side is the single note runs are fairly smooth and thick but the lower wound strings can sound at times to me a bit hairy and fuzzy when chording and double stoppin (250k drive and level pots adds lower mids).. I am not saying it's a bad thing but I wouldn't exactly call it smooth thing..Just my opinion.. Maybe the T Rex helps that..183 is a VERY COOL amp for sure!!
You can really hear it in these clips with the hollows

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGGkAvgl_hI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfbcDDuHHYw

All The Best!!

Tony

Hey Tony,

When I use the MV on the amp with a Dulator with my regular settings, it thins the tone to me and compresses it. When I crank it up and cut back with the dulator, it sounds and feels bloated. I just cant find a happy medium. With the Trex, it all sounds good to me.


On the lower strings, I would trust what you are hearing in those clips. My clip is the very first time I plugged into the amp, and I had no idea what it was going to sound like. Also, its into a Bogner cab with brand new vintage 30s. UGGHHH!!!! The other clip is Brads settings, and he and I could not disagree more on amp settings. We go for 2 totally different things, and 183 will do them both! Also, I know guys do not like me saying this, but unless you have played 183 or a Quinn, you do not know what the amp should sound like. Scotts GWs 183 "dead on clone" I played was not even in the ball park. It may have been a totally different build.