Joe Bonnamassa on the Peter Lerche Dumble You Tube Clip

[talbany]

Joe Bonnamassa on the Peter Lerche You Tube Clip

http://forum.jbonamassa.com/viewtopic.php?id=15215&p=2

I wonder if that amp has 250k drive and level..

Hey Joe the amp was in Jazz Mode so you get less Mids!!

Tony

[ER]

Maybe the reason JB has so much gear is because he doesn't hear that well and doesn't know what he wants or how to go about getting it.

Like taking a smoker out to a nice restaurant.

[boldaslove6789]

He is apologetic near the end of the thread

It's not a question of dumble verses Marshall or anything like that. All I did was state a opinion on a amp. I feel bad for Peter because I've gone on record calling his prized real dumble a fake. It was not my intention to tinkle on the creative campfire. I wouldn't refinance the homestead for one. But that's just me. I think the Carol Ann's and Van Weelden's are fantastic. There will always be debate. My issue is when it becomes personal. Over what? A modded Fender Showman? That's essentially what Dumble amps are in my eyes. A brilliant mod though. Let the gear page be and maybe they will return the favor. My mom is retired now and she can be brutal to the online haters. Nobody wants it to come to that.
Joe B.

Although calling the ODS a "Fender Showman Mod" is very laughable (and no its not a fender twin reverb with one part change either BZ), at least Joe B cops to being an ass.

Apparently Joe B really eats his words when he took possession of a Dumble ODS recently, wheather or not he actually owns it I'm not quite sure, cause he is known to borrow gear but he owns some prized late 50's Les Paul's so a Dumble ODS doesn't seem much out of reach .

[brentm]

Ya, doesn't his brother run a vintage gear shop? He has a crazy collection of vintage gear... I wouldn't be surprised if he "grailed up" with a dumble.

One thing about that video... the master volume is awfully low and clamped down. These amps really sing when you crank them up, and that means opening up the master some (IMHO). You can crank the preamp and the lead master and dial back the master volume in the bedroom... but it doesn't let the amp sing like it should.... buffer the loop and you can do some tricks, but these amps really sing when the master is up a ways.

[Structo]

That is what a lot of people don't understand, that the Dumbleator is pretty essential to get the tone.
It allows you to put the gain and master controls where they need to be.

Sure it probably should have been built into the amp, but maybe Alexander had a reason not to.

I always considered the Peter Lerche Dumble to be one flavor of the Dumble amps.
In fact I always sort of liked it.
It has a more crunchy type overdrive in the video.

But as we all know he barely has the master volume on so that may explain the brightness.

I like Joe Bonamassa a lot and to me his LP tone is among the best, but everybody is entitled to an opinion.

[brentm]

Interesting that he waited 10 years for delivery of the amp. A lot of things can happen in 10 years.... address changes... phone number changes... etc.

I like Peter's tone, playing, and I really like the wood in the background of his studio. Must be reclaimed lumber from some old barn or something. Just very cool looking for the "woodshed".

I read the rest of that thread.... online forums can be such harsh environments and Joe's forum seems pretty harsh from that thread.

[aflynt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIBN0bbREN4

Ironically I kind of like what he's doing here with the tele through the ods better than his usual thing.

-Aaron

[B]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIBN0bbREN4

Ironically I kind of like what he's doing here with the tele through the ods better than his usual thing.

-Aaron

Oh man, such tasty playing. I like most everything JB has done, but that was exceptional. He should really go back to playing fenders IMHO. Thanks for the video share!

[Max]

That is what a lot of people don't understand, that the Dumbleator is pretty essential to get the tone.

Tom,
based on my personal perception when playing original Dumble amps with and without an original mono or stereo Dumbleator in their loop,
and based on the fact that AFAIK most of all the users of original Dumble amps between the sixties and now didn't use a Dumbleator when performing live and/or when recording (AFAIK the vast majority of all the original Dumble amps built before 1979 didn't even have a loop at all, but only a preamp out and have never been equipped by Alexander Dumble with a loop at some later point in time),
I personally don't think that using an original Dumbleator is essential or even important to achieve the kind of tone appreciated by obviously at least many - if not most - users of original Dumble amps.

And if one takes into account how few original Dumbleators have been built in relationship to the number of original Dumble amps, it's IMO rather obvious, too, that most Dumble users obviously didn't feel the need to order a Dumbleator when ordering or after the delivery of their amps. So I personally think that if someone likes to use an original Dumblelator in combination with an original Dumble amp is just a matter of personal taste.

Cheers and all the best,

Max

[bluesfendermanblues]

Max, your background knowledge, observations and reasoning are uas always impressive, but if you want the Robben Ford dumble tone.... like Tom says, you'll need more than a #102 clone, for sure.

The amp in itself won't deliver the tone, you'll need the system, consisting of amps+cables+dlator+2290.

I recently had a Fender Esprit up for sale. A seasoned guy came over to see the guitar and we started talking tone and amps and RF and Dumble.
He had bought a Ceriatone OTS and was very frustrated that it didn't produce the blooming RF tone. I can assure you, that he is a very skilled seasoned player, with the right (soft) picking technique and all the right chops. After playing my setup consisting of #102 clone with D-lator, effects and all, he had a true AHA experience for sure!!

If you don't use a D'lator you'll have to put in a cap to trim off some top end.

[Structo]

I agree Claus,


Max,
I don't play at gigging levels 99% of the time, so being able to throttle the amp down but still have the gain and master up to their respective sweet spots really helps the tone at lower volumes.

I've played my amp with and without the D'lator and I prefer it with.

You know your Dumbles Max but I know how I like my amp to sound.

[talbany]

Guy's TAG Nails the RF tone here and doesn't need a Lator..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfbcDDuHHYw

like Tom says, you'll need more than a #102 clone, for sure.

The amp in itself won't deliver the tone, you'll need the system, consisting of amps+cables+dlator+2290.

While I think the Lator does make for a rather nice Mstr vol and driving the cathode follower helps to thicken the tone (2nd order)..However if I can get my 102 (variant) in a room that gives me a decent amount of ambient verb and I can get the amp up to the sweet spot, I prefer to run it without the loop..So for me I agree with Max and say it's a matter of application and taste..
If your playing live and going for a certain tone and that tone has reverb in it (ala Robben Ford) then it would naturally make sense to get you closer by attaching the loop!

Tony

[Grog]

Interesting that he waited 10 years for delivery of the amp. A lot of things can happen in 10 years.... address changes... phone number changes... etc.

I like Peter's tone, playing, and I really like the wood in the background of his studio. Must be reclaimed lumber from some old barn or something. Just very cool looking for the "woodshed".

I read the rest of that thread.... online forums can be such harsh environments and Joe's forum seems pretty harsh from that thread.

I asked Peter how long it took to get his amp , and his answer was he ordered it in 87, took delivery in 92.

[brentm]

Guy's TAG Nails the RF tone here and doesn't need a Lator..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfbcDDuHHYw

like Tom says, you'll need more than a #102 clone, for sure.

The amp in itself won't deliver the tone, you'll need the system, consisting of amps+cables+dlator+2290.

While I think the Lator does make for a rather nice Mstr vol and driving the cathode follower helps to thicken the tone (2nd order)..However if I can get my 102 (variant) in a room that gives me a decent amount of ambient verb and I can get the amp up to the sweet spot, I prefer to run it without the loop..So for me I agree with Max and say it's a matter of application and taste..
If your playing live and going for a certain tone and that tone has reverb in it (ala Robben Ford) then it would naturally make sense to get you closer by attaching the loop!

Tony

What's that 1U device next to the amp? Looks like there's a DI box plugged in there too... probably for recording? He's in the RF's tone neighborhood... not quite on the porch yet... or even in the living room. Youtube is tough, and TAGs amp sounds great! Just my opinion.

Just as a reference - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7OINxfKZW0 - about 2:30 -

Everything comes back to RF's tone! Tony, I thought your Feedback City did a great job of capturing the essence of this tone... did you ever figure out what was the key ingredient(s) were for the feedback?

[Structo]

That video is Tag trying out #183 Lark Street Music where he bought it. (for those that don't know)

Later he used a single reverb pedal plugged into the passive jacks.
Right now I can't remember the name of the pedal.

BrentM,

That is my favorite Robben video!

Great song and the feedback is cool.