guess it worked

[FUCHSAUDIO]

I've met Tag (unfortunately, I'm not worthy to see and hear the Dumble, let alone look at it...but I digress), he has been a good service and mod customer to me, and is really nothing like his persona on the gear page.

Some people change as soon as they get behind a keyboard. He's (self-admittedly) very OCD, and he is opinionated indeed, but a generally pretty nice guy. Maybe Mayer or Santana will buy the amp.....he did go deep into his pockets on it for sure.....

[Mac Daddy]

I know first hand that Tag paid $55k for the Amp
I'm one of the few that have played the amp on a regular bias
Hell he had it over at my house yesterday for about 6 hours
I can tell you its a very fine example of what Dumble has produced

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ucG2V2fnlE

[Zippy]

Guy, this is not open to argument. Here are the facts.

Tag bought the amp for $50K. He offered $45K but Buzzy stuck to the 50K number.

I know first hand that Tag paid $55k for the Amp.

Just the facts, please.

[ChrisM]

I can tell you its a very fine example of what Dumble has produced
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ucG2V2fnlE

Well you could never tell if you were going by that clip.

[Mac Daddy]

All I will say is that I was with him when he was at
Buzzy's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfbcDDuHHYw

[talbany]

I can tell you its a very fine example of what Dumble has produced
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ucG2V2fnlE

Well you could never tell if you were going by that clip.

OK you need to play 10,000 notes in 2 minutes.. Ready GO!!!..



Sorry couldn't help.. you gotta admit..

Tony

[toneslinger]

I know the back story here too...
I wish Tag luck. If he sells it and makes profit in this economy
he is doing quite well....

He had worked hard invested his money with a relative i might add
and went to take his money out and found 3/4 of his invested money
was gone.

He bought the amp anyway. With the money he worked hard for.

I see no crime in that.

He had the amp biased and looked over for clean bill of health
I see no crime in that either.


He now listed the amp and its being sold
again no crime in that.

If he made a profit on that amp would he be a criminal or
just a business man trying to get a return on his investment ?

Two Rock already made an amp thats close
the emmy pro according to Tag it does about the same thing.


I do not see one person ragging two rock for cloning an amp
I see them lining up to buy them.

I know two rock paid 16 grand for a dumble ods
and had that on a table for the techs to clone.

They could look but not touch and they could not take it
back to the bench while they cloned it.

I see no one ragging them.

Where is the crime here for someone to hire whom ever they wish
to bias the amp and give it a clean bill of health
to make sure its 100% solid ?


Where is the crime to take readings to make certain its running
correctly and things are fine ?

I see no problem there.

Tag bought an amp it was expensive
he paid with money he earned.

He is in a pinch and is trying to save his company and employees
and to do so he must sell.

I dont see a snidely whiplash there I see an american
trying to keep his business and employees.

What is the problem there ?

The man who biased the amp is a good man
he is a family man and he makes great amps.

He did not buy an ods and crack it open for
his employees to clone amp after amp of.

He did not commission someone to bring a
sss in and pay them for it..
then charge 10 grand per amp to make 100 grand real
fast.

He makes his own amps.
I could see where some would be mad about
the other company doing that because in fact
they have done so and I know someone
that witnessed the ods sitting on the table open
for those techs to clone.

I see no crowds with torches for that company
no one yelling and screaming about that ods being
cloned or the sss they cloned.

I see some double standards and some hypocrisy though.

What is the problem with a man investing then taking part of his investment he earned out to buy himself something nice
then to sell if he decides he would rather keep his business
and employees instead ?

I see no problem there.

I wish him luck and hope he sells it for a profit.
I wish the small business owners good luck
because they are americans like me .

Id sooner give my money to them
than a company thats obviously cloning amps
for profit.

I cant for the life of me see the problem here.

If he had sent this to two rock to be cloned
and he did not btw send it anywhere to be cloned by
anyone he had the amp biased , had he done that
with intent to clone it on a mass scale for profit
which is what they are indeed doing at two rock
would anybody be saying anything ?

Is it ok for two rock to clone amps for profit
but its not ok for a man to take his personal
amp and have it biased and looked at
for his own knowledge ?


Tag is not cloning the amp for profit
he did not send it two bludo or two rock.

Because thats what they do
they clone amps for profit.

See the difference now ?
I see it plain as day.

Rock on Tag and good luck to you selling your amp
in the united states of america.

Its not a crime to be a smart businessman.

Evidently its not even a crime to take a loan out
and buy someone elses design and clone them
for a profit.

Ask two rock call them up and ask them.
ask them if they did not buy an ods for 16 grand
and have that sitting on the table for the techs to clone.

I think there might be a crime there
but for someone to know the information for himself
is not a crime.

I see no crime in that.

If there was I guess this would be the criminal amp garage
where the criminals all meet to clone amps.

I dont see that at all here I see people trying to learn
and make things for themselves.

no crime there.

[dogears]

Huh? You know I defended Tag here but this is way over the line. Tag is clearly in the right to get whomever he wants to look at the amp. On to the facts though.

He did not get a guy to bias it. He flew Shad from Quinn Amps in with a huge toolkit to completely document, inside and out, the amp with the intent to clone it. Not to bias it and give it a clean bill of health.

As I said, it is his right and nothing wrong with it, but don't rewrite history by continually referring to the event as a biasing and checkup.... It wasn't.

Also, Shad builds clones for profit. Plain and simple. He is no different than any of the other companies. Sure he has his own ideas and designs, but so do all the other guys. Lets be even handed and fair here. Your post was as hypocritical as the accusations you leveled. Who knows whether Shad will incorporate any ideas he discovered in the Dumble but since he builds clones, my guess is he will. I am not a hypocrite so this is fine with me. Just don't exalt anyone with baseless favoritism. So he won't build a commercial replica, but I know from personal dealings with Shad that he is more than willing to use ideas discovered here or in personal dealings. Once again, nothing wrong with this, but he is pinching Dumble ideas like all of us. And for profit. No issue here with that.

In addition, to clear the air regarding your accusations, to my knowledge Glaswerks, Brown Note, Bludotone, and Fuchs have never ever paid anyone to buy or bring over a Dumble for cloning. Lets not throw around thinly veiled accusations that may somehow slander a company.

I am frankly uneasy about the Two Rock accusations you made, even if they are true. We do not need any liability issues here.

I too wish Tag much success with the sale and his business. He deserves a break in 2010.

He had the amp biased and looked over for clean bill of health
I see no crime in that either.



Where is the crime here for someone to hire whom ever they wish
to bias the amp and give it a clean bill of health
to make sure its 100% solid ?


Where is the crime to take readings to make certain its running
correctly and things are fine ?

I see no problem there.

The man who biased the amp is a good man
he is a family man and he makes great amps.

Is it ok for two rock to clone amps for profit
but its not ok for a man to take his personal
amp and have it biased and looked at
for his own knowledge ?


Tag is not cloning the amp for profit
he did not send it two bludo or two rock.

Because thats what they do
they clone amps for profit.

See the difference now ?
I see it plain as day.

Rock on Tag and good luck to you selling your amp
in the united states of america.

Its not a crime to be a smart businessman.

Evidently its not even a crime to take a loan out
and buy someone elses design and clone them
for a profit.

Ask two rock call them up and ask them.
ask them if they did not buy an ods for 16 grand
and have that sitting on the table for the techs to clone.

I think there might be a crime there
but for someone to know the information for himself
is not a crime.

I see no crime in that.

If there was I guess this would be the criminal amp garage
where the criminals all meet to clone amps.

I dont see that at all here I see people trying to learn
and make things for themselves.

no crime there.

[M Fowler]

You guys write way too much!

[BobW]

I can tell you its a very fine example of what Dumble has produced
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ucG2V2fnlE

Well you could never tell if you were going by that clip.

OK you need to play 10,000 notes in 2 minutes.. Ready GO!!!..



Sorry couldn't help.. you gotta admit..

Tony

I like this shred much better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw5oJoUY ... re=related

[longislandrod]

I usually just read the threads here and don't post but I want to share something that I think is relevant...

Several years ago I was in Japan at Panasonic's audio factory in Osako.
In the R&D division in one lab there were roughly twenty engineers grouped in pairs each with a different competing manufacturers product disassembled on their workbench. They were carefully studying the circuitry, taking measurements and taking notes. I think you can assume what they were doing - not direct cloning perhaps but certainly they were learning something and maybe lifting a few ideas - especially if they found a better product. Take this for whatever it's worth but this is how it works in business, technology or other.

That's why there are patents. Without patents it's all wide open.

Why buy Tylenol when I can buy generic for 1/3 the price? Same logic applies to guitar amps - cloned Dumbles.

Ain't no patent on Dumble amps!!! And all's fair in business!!!!

I know the back story here too...
I wish Tag luck. If he sells it and makes profit in this economy
he is doing quite well....

He had worked hard invested his money with a relative i might add
and went to take his money out and found 3/4 of his invested money
was gone.

He bought the amp anyway. With the money he worked hard for.

I see no crime in that.

He had the amp biased and looked over for clean bill of health
I see no crime in that either.


He now listed the amp and its being sold
again no crime in that.

If he made a profit on that amp would he be a criminal or
just a business man trying to get a return on his investment ?

Two Rock already made an amp thats close
the emmy pro according to Tag it does about the same thing.


I do not see one person ragging two rock for cloning an amp
I see them lining up to buy them.

I know two rock paid 16 grand for a dumble ods
and had that on a table for the techs to clone.

They could look but not touch and they could not take it
back to the bench while they cloned it.

I see no one ragging them.

Where is the crime here for someone to hire whom ever they wish
to bias the amp and give it a clean bill of health
to make sure its 100% solid ?


Where is the crime to take readings to make certain its running
correctly and things are fine ?

I see no problem there.

Tag bought an amp it was expensive
he paid with money he earned.

He is in a pinch and is trying to save his company and employees
and to do so he must sell.

I dont see a snidely whiplash there I see an american
trying to keep his business and employees.

What is the problem there ?

The man who biased the amp is a good man
he is a family man and he makes great amps.

He did not buy an ods and crack it open for
his employees to clone amp after amp of.

He did not commission someone to bring a
sss in and pay them for it..
then charge 10 grand per amp to make 100 grand real
fast.

He makes his own amps.
I could see where some would be mad about
the other company doing that because in fact
they have done so and I know someone
that witnessed the ods sitting on the table open
for those techs to clone.

I see no crowds with torches for that company
no one yelling and screaming about that ods being
cloned or the sss they cloned.

I see some double standards and some hypocrisy though.

What is the problem with a man investing then taking part of his investment he earned out to buy himself something nice
then to sell if he decides he would rather keep his business
and employees instead ?

I see no problem there.

I wish him luck and hope he sells it for a profit.
I wish the small business owners good luck
because they are americans like me .

Id sooner give my money to them
than a company thats obviously cloning amps
for profit.

I cant for the life of me see the problem here.

If he had sent this to two rock to be cloned
and he did not btw send it anywhere to be cloned by
anyone he had the amp biased , had he done that
with intent to clone it on a mass scale for profit
which is what they are indeed doing at two rock
would anybody be saying anything ?

Is it ok for two rock to clone amps for profit
but its not ok for a man to take his personal
amp and have it biased and looked at
for his own knowledge ?


Tag is not cloning the amp for profit
he did not send it two bludo or two rock.

Because thats what they do
they clone amps for profit.

See the difference now ?
I see it plain as day.

Rock on Tag and good luck to you selling your amp
in the united states of america.

Its not a crime to be a smart businessman.

Evidently its not even a crime to take a loan out
and buy someone elses design and clone them
for a profit.

Ask two rock call them up and ask them.
ask them if they did not buy an ods for 16 grand
and have that sitting on the table for the techs to clone.

I think there might be a crime there
but for someone to know the information for himself
is not a crime.

I see no crime in that.

If there was I guess this would be the criminal amp garage
where the criminals all meet to clone amps.

I dont see that at all here I see people trying to learn
and make things for themselves.

no crime there.

[vibratoking]

+1 dogears

[67plexi]

What does the life of tag have anything to do about building guitar amps?
I love the amp garage forum and learning the amp building process.
After watching the video of tag playing the ES-335 It makes me want to sell mine.

[bluesfendermanblues]

Seriously guys stop nagging about who or what company is the bad guy!!
When I took my MBA degree, the mantra in our Marketing classes was:

"Imitate and Innovate"

That what all companies R&D departments do. So did Dumble, so did Fender, Marshall you name it.

And so do all DIY amp builders on this forum.

Peace and Happy hollidays to everybody on this forum

[M Fowler]

bluesfendermanblues,

Same to you, happy easter.