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playloudd308
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I cant figure out a way to keep the box stable enough to glue it and clamp it. I do not have the corner clamps because they are pretty expensive.
is there a way to keep it straight after i glue and clamp?
is there a way to keep it straight after i glue and clamp?
Last edited by playloudd308 on Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.
~Rocky
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Allyn posted a "how to" in another thread a while back. Basically, you lay out the boards end-to-end and tape them together. Then just fold it up like a box. I guess you could use the fascia board to keep things square.
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Distortion
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Don't glue the box up until you have everything to do it right.
Make sure you can bring the miters together with no gap between them. If there is any gap it will make the corners look bad.
I have a large 90 degree aluminum ruler that is great for making sure the box is aligned correctly. One thing that helps is to lie the box on its side to glue it instead of setting straight up. It is easier to get the correct position for clamping. I like to use Tightbond II glue.
What you really need is large wood clamps. Some rental stores have them in stock and the cost is quite low to rent them for a couple of days.
One trick I use to fill small gaps is to mix some of the sanding dust of that piece of wood with glue and a bit of water. It makes a paste that can easily be forced into the gaps. Let it dry completely and then sand it down flush with the rest of the cab. You will not be able to see where the gap was.
I know you were talking about using some nice flame maple for your cab. Don't ruin it by not having the tools to assemble the cabinet correctly.
Cutting and routing a cabinet is actually pretty easy. Assembly is also easy if you know what you are doing and have the tools. Where most folks have problems is applying the finish. If you use a rub on finish this is probably the easiest for your first project.
Make sure you can bring the miters together with no gap between them. If there is any gap it will make the corners look bad.
I have a large 90 degree aluminum ruler that is great for making sure the box is aligned correctly. One thing that helps is to lie the box on its side to glue it instead of setting straight up. It is easier to get the correct position for clamping. I like to use Tightbond II glue.
What you really need is large wood clamps. Some rental stores have them in stock and the cost is quite low to rent them for a couple of days.
One trick I use to fill small gaps is to mix some of the sanding dust of that piece of wood with glue and a bit of water. It makes a paste that can easily be forced into the gaps. Let it dry completely and then sand it down flush with the rest of the cab. You will not be able to see where the gap was.
I know you were talking about using some nice flame maple for your cab. Don't ruin it by not having the tools to assemble the cabinet correctly.
Cutting and routing a cabinet is actually pretty easy. Assembly is also easy if you know what you are doing and have the tools. Where most folks have problems is applying the finish. If you use a rub on finish this is probably the easiest for your first project.
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Hi all, Since the original TW cabs were just 45 degree angles cut and glued together, the best way to do this is what cabinet makers call a "V-Fold". Cut the pieces and test fit them to make sure there is no gaps like Distortion said. After you confirm there are no gaps, ly the pieces end to end and put lots of shipping tape on the edges (Clear so you can see). Put glue on the edges and fold the box up. The tape will stop the glue from getting on the outside edges. While it is still wet, use a square to make sure you are square. After about a half hour, use a sharp chisel head or scraper and scrape the excess glue out of the the inside corners. A little while later when the boxes are getting dry but, not totally dry, remove the tape being careful not put the cabs out of square. Use a scraper to remove the excess glue. Carefully measure the faceplate about 1/32 too big lengthwise. Sand by hand to make a tight fit. Use 3/8 X 3/8" braces on the back of the faceplate for strength. If your good with a biscuit cutter, you can skip the tape and bisquit the cabinet and faceplate together and it is extremely strong. But, that is for another lessonNormster wrote:Allyn posted a "how to" in another thread a while back. Basically, you lay out the boards end-to-end and tape them together. Then just fold it up like a box. I guess you could use the fascia board to keep things square.
Allyn
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Are you guys building 45 degree corners without biscuits? Tsk tsk 
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playloudd308
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picked up the clamps this morning and it made things pretty easy. Thanks for the advice.
~Rocky
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Post some pictures when the cab is complete.playloudd308 wrote:picked up the clamps this morning and it made things pretty easy. Thanks for the advice.
I would like to see how it turns out..
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playloudd308
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[img:687:514]http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/3784/wreckhead0xb.jpg[/img]
[img:687:514]http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/2172 ... ad24md.jpg[/img]
still needs a few more coats but here it is
dyed it later the same day i glued it then started putting lacquer on it then the spar urethane comes when i get off of work today, going to maybe put about 6 or 7 coats of that, just depends on how thick it turns out
[img:687:514]http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/2172 ... ad24md.jpg[/img]
still needs a few more coats but here it is
dyed it later the same day i glued it then started putting lacquer on it then the spar urethane comes when i get off of work today, going to maybe put about 6 or 7 coats of that, just depends on how thick it turns out
~Rocky
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I like the movie to the left "stickin' it to the man"
Allynmey
Allynmey
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nice looking piece of wood..
Richie
Richie
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Playloudd308,
Would you be interested in building me a cabinet for my Rocket project ??
David Blackmon
Would you be interested in building me a cabinet for my Rocket project ??
David Blackmon
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What the hell is a biscuit ?
P.S.: My native language it´s not English, so, i don´t really quite understand what that is.
P.S.: My native language it´s not English, so, i don´t really quite understand what that is.
Learning every day ...
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Hey bluedragon,
go see here:
http://www.sawdustmaking.com/About%20Jo ... joints.htm
It's the first type of joint at the top.
Cheers,
Stephane.
go see here:
http://www.sawdustmaking.com/About%20Jo ... joints.htm
It's the first type of joint at the top.
Cheers,
Stephane.
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playloudd308
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i could but i dont think i would be the best man to do it. Im still working on mine and i would be very nervous working on someone elses.fiddler59 wrote:Playloudd308,
Would you be interested in building me a cabinet for my Rocket project ??
David Blackmon
distortion, is very skilled and i have seen pics of his work and it is A+ so you might would want to talk to him. also do a search on the forum for other head box posts and pm some of those guys, i believe allynmey told me he could do one when i was asking around.
~Rocky
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Thanks !slajeune wrote:Hey bluedragon,
go see here:
http://www.sawdustmaking.com/About%20Jo ... joints.htm
It's the first type of joint at the top.
Cheers,
Stephane.
I never saw a carpenter using that in Portugal, we like more "sausages" than "biscuits" !
We drill some holes in both sides, we put some cilindrical pieces of wood with glue in those holes, glue the joints and then join both parts ...
Learning every day ...