Any interest in trainwreck style cabs?

Express, Liverpool, Rocket, Dirty Little Monster, etc.

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Does that guy sell an Express chassis? I couldn't tell. I seen that he had a Rocket tho.
Yes see custom chassis button click on that and go to medium chassis 17x8x2 click on that and it shows the XP (Express chassis).

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M Fowler wrote:
Does that guy sell an Express chassis? I couldn't tell. I seen that he had a Rocket tho.
Yes see custom chassis button click on that and go to medium chassis 17x8x2 click on that and it shows the XP (Express chassis).

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Thanks! I must be real late to the party for people to base a small business out of these amps.

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selloutrr wrote:
The exotic woods used 12 - 14 coats of tungoil dried and wet sanded between coats. The Cherry cabs some used simi gloss poly, others used tungoil, a few may have ever used gun oil. Again 12-14 coats dried and wet sanding between each coat. poly was applied with a sprayer.
Why so many coats? Are you going for a high gloss finish? You should look into padding lacquer otherwise known as french polishing and do away with all that sanding. Your labor costs are too high. I even pad with shellac. It dries so fast you wind up with 10 to 20 thin coats in a couple of hours tops and each coat burns into the one beneath it. If you master it there won't be anything left to do when your done.
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Well i was gonna start building some head cabs tonite.I got about as far as selecting some boards.
My planer is having some issues now. :evil: I may take some boards to my buddies shop and knock them down.Else i'll have to wait till i can get my planer fixed.

Guess its better to break down now than when i got people waiting for cabinets for their house.
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passfan wrote:
selloutrr wrote:
The exotic woods used 12 - 14 coats of tungoil dried and wet sanded between coats. The Cherry cabs some used simi gloss poly, others used tungoil, a few may have ever used gun oil. Again 12-14 coats dried and wet sanding between each coat. poly was applied with a sprayer.
Why so many coats? Are you going for a high gloss finish? You should look into padding lacquer otherwise known as french polishing and do away with all that sanding. Your labor costs are too high. I even pad with shellac. It dries so fast you wind up with 10 to 20 thin coats in a couple of hours tops and each coat burns into the one beneath it. If you master it there won't be anything left to do when your done.
I wouldn't recomend straight tungoil for a final finish.Danish oil will shine up much better and is more durable.
I've done a bit of french polishing in furniture restoreration I also like it for the Maple necks I build.Its very forgiving and easy to touch up.

The easiest way to get a mirror finish is buy buffing lacquer.Shouldn't say easiest but fastest
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I'm just going by what was originally used.

It's easy to cut corners it's not quick to do it right.
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Hey buddy I don't half ass anything When it comes to woodworking.

Who in the hell said anything about cutting corners?

I guess if somebody wants to spend $900 14 coats of oil is no problem
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? I was asked why so many coats

The reason is authenticity

I agree it's cheaper to a different finish. However if you are going for spot on authentic it won't be correct.

If you want a nice cheap cabinet for a clone make a mitered corner and spray on a couple coats of finish.

I have one of richies cabs it's a great cabinet my only complaint if how the front piece is attached. It looks good from the front but you can see the screws from the back. The reason I point this out cutting the inset groove takes time time takes money.

I'd be interested in a raw unfinished authentic no corners cut cabinet for $150.
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Weren't some cabs originally mitered and some had the rabbet fitting into a dado with mitered trim on the front.Please tell me if im wrong.

I can make the ones with the trim on the front just about as easy.I just think it looks cheesey.

I think I will scrap the miter lock idea and just miter the corners and use biscuits.
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Another thing the plans call for 1/2 roundover.But the pics I can find of the originals look like 3/8 to me
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EDIT:
4 versions of cabinet style exist the 45 degree is normally reserved for exotic woods that wrap grain pattern around the cabinet.

1.) The traditional cabinet is the drawing posted on the forum. Picture frame front exposed seem in back

2.) Same as #1 with the groove hidden in the back

3.) Same as #1 with a picture frame on the rear. i.e. Tammy

4.) 45 degree miter cut corners no picture frame front.

The material is ~ 3/4" thick +/- a 1/64"
The router is usually 3/8", however 1/4" on some.
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https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.php?t=9805

These are the only two plans we have on file in TW section.

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Thanks Mark thats what I was going by.

The old plan shows an overall width of 9 3/4"
The new show 10 5/8"

I'm assuming the newer plans are correct?
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Build them and they will come.
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I agree build them and they will sell.

I don't know I have been reading about Trainwreck amps since 2007 and came to the conclusion a long time ago that there is no rules for what is a correct Trainwreck. Whether in cabinet design because there are a few different cabinet styles shown in pictures or the transformers used are all over the place too many for me to keep track of and each amp was tuned to the owner.

I say build what ever you want.

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