need help with 1 tube redplating !!!!

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need help with 1 tube redplating !!!!

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Help !!
I am at my wits end
just finished repurposing a project amp
turned it into a rocket
but the #1 power tube keeps redplating
I have tried different PS cap, 100 ohm resistor, disconnected
the 1k5 resistor tried different tubes and even another socket
still keeps running away
not sure what to do next :cry:

thanks in advance
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Theres a lot of residue on that socket, what is that? Does it red plate as soon as you take the amp off standby? Or once you start playing? When you say different sockets did you actually replace the socket?
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Yes the socket has been replaced

It takes about 1 minute to red plate
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What is the bias set to? Also have you checked that you are getting a bias voltage on the grid? Leave the amp in standby to check that.
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Calculate your bias. You could simply be over the maximum plate disspation.

One tube can effect the tube next to it on the same PP side. What I am saying is that it may not be what you call socket 1, it could be your socket 2 or tube 2. But you must check where your bias is first, as Littlewyan said above.

What is the brown poo under your enormous screen resistors?
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Yes especially for each individual valve. Even if they are matched one can still drift down which isn't too bad but can also drift up!

But yer what is that brown gunk?
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The poo is silicone
It was thAt way before I started on the amp
I purchased the amp from eBay
It was a two channel amp with reverb
The guy said one channel worked and one was noisy
But when I got it neither channel was functioning
So I stripped the board and turned it into a rocket
The power tube section was left alone
It also had a half powered switch that I removed trying to fix
The runaway tube
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Ok but have you checked the bias for each individual valve? Could be you're not getting good bias voltage on the grid of that valve.

Edit: I'm guessing the replacement valve socket is clean? Dirt can cause arcing which can cause red plating.
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the problem was present before that socket was replaced
so I don't believe the condition of the current socket is an issue at this time

I tried the amp with a 5Y3 rectifier tube and I was able to play it for a bit
you could see just a faint red glow from that one power tube

with 5Y3 :
B+1 = 231 v.
B+2 = 228 v.
B+3 = 178 v.
B+4 = 158 v.
B+5 = 155 v.

all tubes are getting bias voltage 10.5 v.

in standby :
EL84 :
pin #2 = -.720 v.
pin #7 = -.9xx v.
pin #9 = -.9xx v.

the xx means the voltage was fluctuating slightly

the amp with 5Y3 sounds pretty crappy I am guessing because of the bad bias issue but it works

originally the amp came with a Weber copper cap rectifier
with that copper cap the tube begins to glow in about 1 minute
so I don't dare try and play it
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now it moved !!

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ok,
here is the latest,
I plugged the weber rect. cap back in and fired it up

same issue, only now the runaway tube issued moved to the second
power tube
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Ah sorry I wasn't thinking right, this isn't fixed bias, DOh! You'll get nothing on the valve with the amp on standby.

Right, have you checked your voltages with the Voltage Chart for the Rocket? https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.php?t=5684

Be careful though, 300V isn't nice to touch.
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yes I did check voltages
see above post

also with 5Y3 tube:
power tubes are
pin #2 = 10.57 v.
pin #3 = 10.84 v.
pin #7 = 220 v.
pin #9 = 226 v.

when I plug in the weber rectifier I don't have enough time to check voltages
but doing a quick check before it redplates

pin #3 = 8.0 v.
pin #7 = 320ish v.
pin #9 = 320ishv.
then it stops dropping as the tube begins to redplate so I shut it down
and sigh

:cry:
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Yer sorry the Standby Voltages on the valve are useless in this amp.

Now something is a bit off as you should have nothing on Pin 2 as thats the control grid pin. Odd that pin 3 is so high with pins 7 and 9 being low. Pin 9 should be lower than Pin 7.

Pins 2 and 3 definitely aren't touching? Have you got the Screen Grid Supply and OT Centre Tap connected to the correct supplies?
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i didn't get a reading on pin #2

the OT center tap is on thew third cap
you can see in the pic
the first two caps are parallel
the screens are on the third cap to the right
its the green wire
and the choke is between those
its the thin red wires
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by the way
my cathode resistor is 47 ohms
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