225P vs 6PS
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leadfootdriver
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225P vs 6PS
Both are available right now. Which ones do you guys like better?
Re: 225P vs 6PS
6PS are great and inexpensive. I've been using them recently.
Re: 225P vs 6PS
If the 225p's have tin plated copper leads id go with those. Where you getting them?
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leadfootdriver
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Re: 225P vs 6PS
Those have plated steel leads. The old ones had plated copper leads.
Re: 225P vs 6PS
So....which ones are more similar to the Mallory PVC?
Re: 225P vs 6PS
This is an interesting thing, how the leads changed to 'silver' tinned steel from copper. And I say 'silver' because I am not clear what the plating actually is but most likely some kind of silver...
The same is true for new resistors, of course.
And since steel is capable of being affected by a magnetic field - if you were to ask Ken - he would probably say give up now.
So my answer is: NOS copper lead PVC caps, of course. (Edit: these were - it turns out - tinned copper plated steel from day one! In fact, the only tin plated copper leaded OD from - as far as I know - CDE is the 716P.) In lieu of these, all the caps from CDE and Vishay are changing constantly. The caps they make today are not the same caps they made two years ago. The bean counters are saving money.
(Noteworthy: The Astron and Ajax caps from Fender fame are are tin plated copper clad steel. On the other hand, the mustard caps form Marshall fame are all tin plated copper.)
FWIW, after some digging about, I see that CDE is the current parent of all the Orange Drop named capacitors. Sprague created them in the '60s and ultimately SBE acquired the rights and manufactured them in Vermont. CDE purchased the rights to the production of the Orange Drop capacitor in October 2012 and used the same factory. (However I think this is changing or has changed.) All Orange Drop capacitors sold under the Vishay-Sprague name were made by SBE and CDE.
3/5/2014: Also noteworthy, the 225P is still in production, HOWEVER, you will see them closed out on Mouser. This is because CDE recently took back the resale option from Vishay-Sprague and sells the part under there own name. All that has happened is the discontinuation of a resale contract with V-S. You will find the same part listed under CDE/Cornell Dubler. Likewise, the 418P is still being made by CDE although Mouser seems oblivious to this as none are listed. Did Mouser not sell the 418P? I dunno. Btw, the Vermont plant is closed as of recently, and all production of the OD caps are coming from Mexico. I was told also, FWIW, that the Vermont machinery was moved to Mexico. There are no visible markings on the caps to indicate country of manufacture, only the bags that the parts come to the various suppliers will show this info - and this is per CDE as well.
The same is true for new resistors, of course.
And since steel is capable of being affected by a magnetic field - if you were to ask Ken - he would probably say give up now.
So my answer is: NOS copper lead PVC caps, of course. (Edit: these were - it turns out - tinned copper plated steel from day one! In fact, the only tin plated copper leaded OD from - as far as I know - CDE is the 716P.) In lieu of these, all the caps from CDE and Vishay are changing constantly. The caps they make today are not the same caps they made two years ago. The bean counters are saving money.
(Noteworthy: The Astron and Ajax caps from Fender fame are are tin plated copper clad steel. On the other hand, the mustard caps form Marshall fame are all tin plated copper.)
FWIW, after some digging about, I see that CDE is the current parent of all the Orange Drop named capacitors. Sprague created them in the '60s and ultimately SBE acquired the rights and manufactured them in Vermont. CDE purchased the rights to the production of the Orange Drop capacitor in October 2012 and used the same factory. (However I think this is changing or has changed.) All Orange Drop capacitors sold under the Vishay-Sprague name were made by SBE and CDE.
3/5/2014: Also noteworthy, the 225P is still in production, HOWEVER, you will see them closed out on Mouser. This is because CDE recently took back the resale option from Vishay-Sprague and sells the part under there own name. All that has happened is the discontinuation of a resale contract with V-S. You will find the same part listed under CDE/Cornell Dubler. Likewise, the 418P is still being made by CDE although Mouser seems oblivious to this as none are listed. Did Mouser not sell the 418P? I dunno. Btw, the Vermont plant is closed as of recently, and all production of the OD caps are coming from Mexico. I was told also, FWIW, that the Vermont machinery was moved to Mexico. There are no visible markings on the caps to indicate country of manufacture, only the bags that the parts come to the various suppliers will show this info - and this is per CDE as well.
Most people stall out when fixing a mistake that they've made. Why?
Re: 225P vs 6PS
Can't comment the 225's but I wasn't able to get good sound out of 6PS with a Ceriatone Expression. Or well, it sounded quite OK, but the sound lacked some details. The growl of the amp was more nasal and the highs flatter (not harsh but lacked headroom, just like a stomp boxes with a tired battery). It didn't just have the definition.
Then I swapped to Cornell Dubilier Polyester DME's , they sounded way better in this amp. The midrange became more defined and and highs rounder. Not by much but all those little things makes perfection in the end.
OT is MM while PT is stock Ceriatone in this my amp.
Then I swapped to Cornell Dubilier Polyester DME's , they sounded way better in this amp. The midrange became more defined and and highs rounder. Not by much but all those little things makes perfection in the end.
OT is MM while PT is stock Ceriatone in this my amp.