Beating a dead horse no last time...

[hairyandy]

What is even more interesting is that I opened my son's Orange AD30 HTC for the 1 st to put in a Brimar in v1, and what is in there but 4 Ei EL84s!...I was surprised; the previous owner new his tubes

Make sure they're the old Ei 84s before you get excited. The new ones are not the same as what were around in the 80's and early 90's.

Andy

[mclmk8d]

What is even more interesting is that I opened my son's Orange AD30 HTC for the 1 st to put in a Brimar in v1, and what is in there but 4 Ei EL84s!...I was surprised; the previous owner new his tubes

Make sure they're the old Ei 84s before you get excited. The new ones are not the same as what were around in the 80's and early 90's.

Andy

They are.

[homenote]

Ok this logic makes NO since to me. If "we" the players "know" what we are looking for when we decide that we like the tone of a KF TW then why in the heck couldn't "we" know what "it" is as well in the trial and error "tweaking proccess" especially when it comes to the tubes? If I was a builder and had the skill and basics to build a amp, then the same materials (baring inconsistencies in how much H2o in the copper. Lol) Why can only Ken hear "it?" If we the players and builders can hear "it" when it's being played on his TW then why would "it" fall on deaf ears if we were tweaking the tone? Am I missing something? I agree KF TW is and should be the standard of tone imop he took it further than anyone so far but to suggest he was the only one that could hear what he was after, insults what he did does it not? I mean we all can hear "it" that's why he was so successful. Wasn't it some guitarist that said to the guy that had the first one "I really like the way that amp sounds, where can I get one?" Lol I mean are you sure there arnt some bias slants of view in this type of thinking? TW owners vs TW clones? Lol

Jana, I agree with your statement about the tubes and a lifetime of experience in the process of tuning. You can't replace one persons set of ears and judgements that they make in the process. Ken knew what he was looking and listening for to get his results.

The part in my opinion can anyone do exactly what ken did with the above statements......NO

Can anyone 100% copy an amp I make ....... NO
Can you make two amps that sound 100% identical......NO
Did Ken amps sound identical with eveyone he made.....NO

Can others make a TW that sound just as good as a real Trainwreck.....Yes but no two are identical

It is that thin line of seperating what ken did personally to fine tune his TW and Factors that seperate one amp from another that we don't have control over. Ask this question if Ken was still building amp Today can you say 100% they would sound exactly like his earlier amps ? As time went on Ken was having a tougher and tougher time trying to get the results he wanted because of part suppliers not being consistant.

We will never know the answer if a clone is as good as real wreck because right now we are more or less just comparing a clone to maybe a few real Trainwrecks. It's apples and oranges without knowing if ken would pick the apple or the orange.

[homenote]

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