Zeus, my First (and on going) Build.

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warble wrote: The fact that we spotted the risk of micro-phonics even before putting this amp into the cabinet speaks to our skill. It was not accident. Others would have lacked the insight to even consider micro-phonics or look up the original spec sheets for the tubes.
See, this is precisely the arrogance that annoys everyone so much.

I'm sorry, but even people who merely dabble in tube amps are aware of microphonics. It's an extremely basic concept. If you've ever used a tube amp you'd know that tubes can be microphonic or become microphonic (after being subjected to wear and vibration). When this happens the amp will pick up vibrations and amplify them or even squeal due to acoustic feedback. Obviously doesn't sound good so you have to replace the tube. The concept of amplifier microphonics is as old as the tube amp itself.

And probably every amp builder on the planet has the spec sheets for all the popular tubes. I'm not a builder and I have a folder on my computer with dozens of tube spec sheets in it. Again, pretty basic stuff.

Everyone is telling you to show a little humility and yet you continue to boast and brag. There are people here that have decades of experience and REAL accomplishments in the area of amp design and construction. How about showing them some respect?

Your just a pedantic, self-aggrandizing and deluded individual. I can only imagine how annoying working with you must be.
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Fellas,

I don't know why I'm adding to this steaming pile, but what the hell. Most here thought your TGP thread was a spoof. Now it appears that maybe it was not. Who knows. Either way, the heavy hitters here, have written you off. A couple weighed in early in this thread and probably will never read another thing you post.

Dreric has given you wise counsel in two separate posts in this thread. This is probably wasted breath, but I will tell you this as someone who has been on the receiving end of the knowledge, and generosity of the guys here at the Amp Garage. There are many folks who post here regularly who make their living designing and building tube amplifiers. They regularly help out noobs like you and me, even when it would be in their financial best interest to keep their knowledge to themselves and build us an amp. They do it generously, and many times they have to suffer fools to do so.

So, I'll tell you what I tell my six year old. "Do you hear what you're saying"? I mean actually hear it? Go back and read your posts out loud so that you can hear yourself speak. To say that you come across as narcissistic would be an understatement. Would you as an apprentice walk into a master's workshop and piss on his workbench? That's what you've done here. The choice is yours whether you step back and try a little humility, or just continue in what appears to be blind ignorance.
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Jeff & Travis,

I to wish you well in your endeavours, not only with the project, but also with mending some of the illwill that has arisen.
As you have probably been made aware, this forum is as much (if not more) about love of music as it is about science and electronics. This being the case, a lot of these folk are very passionate and with passion involved, people can get very excited.
I am very much new to this Trainwreck style of amplifier and know very little. Having said that, by approaching it thus, I have found some great incites from some very intelligent and helpful Gentlemen. I think this is very important these people "are" gentlemen.
Perhaps you may benefit from approaching this project as a pupil rather than as a professor.
While it is great to go it alone, I have found a great deal more enjoyment by involving others in a collaberative effort.
Jeff & Travis please take this post as trying to be constructive again I wish you well.
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This thread (and the one on TGP) makes me want to put together a Wreck. Of course I've only built 3 power supplies, for the 3 amps I've put together. That's 3 more than Jeff and Travis have built (they're not done yet).

Jeff, I'm with Gargoyle here. Be the student. Document online, let these experienced pros give you good advice and LISTEN. No one wants to guess how to solder stainless steel to pots, and apparently, it's a lousy idea. If you come up to an issue, ask the group. If you think you know what kind of underwear Ken wore, keep it to yourself. Unless it's funny.

Really though, you came in arrogant and haven't really let down. Chill and listen to people who've been doing this for a while. If you're exceptional, it'll show without you having to tell us.
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I've been trying to not post but you know how that goes. SO i DECIDED NOT TOO.
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Gargoyle wrote:Jeff & Travis,

I to wish you well in your endeavours, not only with the project, but also with mending some of the illwill that has arisen.
As you have probably been made aware, this forum is as much (if not more) about love of music as it is about science and electronics. This being the case, a lot of these folk are very passionate and with passion involved, people can get very excited.
I am very much new to this Trainwreck style of amplifier and know very little. Having said that, by approaching it thus, I have found some great incites from some very intelligent and helpful Gentlemen. I think this is very important these people "are" gentlemen.
Perhaps you may benefit from approaching this project as a pupil rather than as a professor.
While it is great to go it alone, I have found a great deal more enjoyment by involving others in a collaberative effort.
Jeff & Travis please take this post as trying to be constructive again I wish you well.

Hey Gargoyle,

We are going to make the following response and remain silent for the next few weeks while the dust settles:

Wow. What can I say? There are a lot of so-called experts that seem to feel really insecure and threatened by us. They are having a really bad day! Ha!

If they are actually experts and professionals then I would expect them to be professionaly, simply point out our mistakes, we will say hey thanks, and move on. We have been quite clear about whom we are and the level of which we are approaching this build (first build). I can only ask why it bothers them so much that they will pick at us so much? Why are they so insecure? Why do they feel it necessary to go on record with bigotry aimed at the mentally challenged?

It is exceptionally challenging to determine who actually knew KF, the quality of the people that KF surrounded himself with, who is a fake lying about having known KF, and much more.

We simply cannot tell who is a fraud or the real deal. I note that many, who claimed to know KF, when asked, failed to make simple descriptive observations of what Ken was like when asked. If they were the real deal and civil then they had every opportunity to enlighten us. Instead, they resorted to veiled and outright bigotry and expressions of hate. That is a reflection of how they do business. It is really quite petty.

We have made it clear on several occasions that we are new, that we have much to learn, we have made it clear that we are ethical, and have refused to get into discussions that are characterized by bigotry.

It is odd that so many experts cannot tell the difference between a hypothesis and tentative conclusion as it relates to the term "ampstrument." It only takes one well thought-out sentence to disprove the theory. Civilized, intelligent people know how to do that while fakes poke fun, make demeaning remarks, and fail to admit where they are wrong.

We have a long documented list now of the so-called experts that have made bigoted remarks aimed at the mentally challenged. I have never in my life seen so much hate. It is just as serious as going on record as being racists. They know this fact.

Some of them are presidents of noted organizations from which the public is purchasing product. Some of the bigots claim to have thirty years of experience and then go on to use bigoted terminology as though their expertise justifies their right to be bigots. They can expect that the public is going to learn of their hateful practices. There is little doubt they practice such hate in their business setting and inflict extensive harm on their employees. They deserve what is coming to them. It is a matter of public record now. What goes around…..

Yes they are going to be put off. That is because they know that there can be a major fall out for them. We want the bigoted experts to go away. They have nothing that we want to learn from them. They have nothing civil to add to the public forum. There is no place for such people in a diverse civilization.

Currently, we find ourselves questioning why so many so-called experts that who are little more than petty bigots surround the legend they call Ken Fischer. Does this speak to the character of Ken Fischer?

They have some explaining and fast talking to do. Currently, there are no public apologies that have been forthcoming from any of them. They know the implications of their remarks and how it can blow up on them. If it turns out that KF was also part of the crowd then it is only a matter of time till that will be exposed for the entire world to see. That can be quite ugly and they know this fact.

So, yes you will find them running for cover. They will be attacking and belittling us. They will label us as cocky. If being outraged comes across as cocky then so be it.

This group knows they were exposed in the TGP thread for the entire world to judge. I gave them every clue, every possible hint, and did everything in my power to persuade them to tone-it-down. Instead, the bigots that surround the legend known as KF persisted, they took the bait that I planted, and they publically documented their bigotry.

THEY WERE WARNED THAT POETIC JUSTICE HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE A MATHMETICAL FACT.

What was their response? They attacked the very legend, John Nash who is an actual genius and Nobel Prize winner, that proved poetic justice is a reality, with bigotry and hate.

What these so-called experts did can never be taken back. They simply went too far. They took the bait and exposed themselves. The emperor is naked. It is ironic that they attacked the legend John Nash with bigotry and now run for cover as the fallout continues. John Nash would want it that way.

That is all I am going to say about the matter. We will be remaining silent while the dust settles over the next few weeks.

Please stop pointing fingers at us and quit backing bigots. Let them hang, and if KF was also part of the crowd then the justice will be forthcoming.


Best Regards,

Jeff
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These guys are nuts. I'm outta here.
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Careful warble, you're probably close to getting the axe from this forum.

Allyn, you hiding somewhere? :)
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Dude, seriously?? Can I buy some drugs from you?? So far, your long-winded rambling, nonsensical prose and bizarre non sequitur largely has no measurable content of value to anyone on this board. It's almost comical. Within a handful of posts, you've proclaimed your vast expertise, espoused esoteric knowledge of amplifiers, physics, and the scientific method, made some sweeping and outlandish statements, and disrupted what is otherwise a great place.

Please don't reply to this.

Hopefully our good administrator will pull the plug...<i>soon</i>.
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warble wrote:We are going to make the following response and remain silent for the next few weeks while the dust settles:
Typical BS for a random a-hole trolling around the internet carpet-bombing forums with utter, complete crap. Is this the 3rd of 4th place you've come to throw down your BS?

Funny how you can't seem to figure out you're hurting yourself more than you're helping anybody else.
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Bigotry?

Nash?

Threats?

Exposure?

Coded Messages?

Wow!!!

(I'm sure this will have no impact but WTF)

"All attack is a cry for help" - Marianne Williamson

Jeff, all throughout your posting people have tried to help you by insisting that you demonstrate some respect and humility in a public forum. This is the boundary of public decency which makes society work.

I am sorry for you that this experience has become painful. This should be fun. For me, it's become clear that there are some very deep issues here. I am sorry that you have pain. I don't think anyone here wants to hurt you in anyway.

It is my sincere hope that you get some help.

peace

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Yep, batshit crazy. OK, nothing to see here folks, move along...
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"Why do they feel it necessary to go on record with bigotry aimed at the mentally challenged?"

"We have a long documented list now of the so-called experts that have made bigoted remarks aimed at the mentally challenged"

Above, are two quotes from warbles most recent posts. It is crazy making to read too much into this stuff but my compassionate side has come to the following conclusion.

We are (potentially) witnessing the behavior of someone with a legitimate diagnosis.

While I have been critical of warbles tone I have tried to do so in a respectful way. Now I am going to sit back, stop trying to make the pig sing, and grant some understanding and compassion to some who in his own words is "mentally challenged"

................................at least until his next post


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Neither Warble or Novusoscar will be down for breakfast! 8)
They were both the same person! All posts by both came from the same house....goodbye and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out....wow...I think I need to get laid! :lol:

Maybe I'm just cranky in my old age :lol:
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Allynmey wrote:Neither Warble or Novusoscar will be down for breakfast! 8)
Hahahahahah, awesome Allyn. Thanks for putting an end that asaninity!

Cheers.
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